From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA68C48BE0 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C81613CD for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231488AbhFKLBr (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 07:01:47 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.73]:51773 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231515AbhFKLBS (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Jun 2021 07:01:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.155] ([95.115.52.72]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPosX-1ldaEj40EF-00Mtt2; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:58:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off To: James Bottomley , David Hildenbrand , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org References: From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" Message-ID: <6d8299e4-2707-7edf-ebe4-f5ca7b7ee8ca@metux.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:58:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: tl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:W1CuRBv9b9vfO/cntxLvE7zRNUCd1/dUgLqWvl6KCwi7Sw23ByG lxCAe9Q91/0vR2PyBETRIzab+l26EBWvYSHZ0LUnS9cubvCX5xzUC+CV5JjFwPCWXQxaQOo 5taiouS8C+FKLJ+dmpW4iHuaNuDY6rfJXKdICti+cmqPwkBEzGu+ypcMKrurkTnsQ34K6rI 06GNiokz08qz4bFDbl2SA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Hq+AqsHvTCw=:QA0c4LdeomjvdgpT+WeCnm fvybeHcu/cjr4qkbFb37AHeWQkFDtgzJzer94ls3YhCWt+DHTcRYat2Xw0bDzC571L64go0Zn S47+PKyO7iqLbN5ux7Q1bobJkmQyzd4AVn+mJY+DPRWcavypMr61kqgdFjuX6IrVfAowwYiyw ly4+mDH127ZO25ThonvdPqnoC09zxMXWofSvrJHTIPF4vPxkQXahO8ZHchkVwwHh8tFFS9JUo vw0Lc1EfnmgDoFqHS8P6BW62s3Uh3KwIa5lpH9LO079r/sMc5j3UnvF0meS+/OFKTSylXL8pQ fF4Yn/2vfs6qyTFzVGrX0PFL6LNgcYXVDEO0NdXW2C5RLxtOyj3d1JvZqKDgzj4z6+zsBCtiK +vjMQtcEEILeH+OmBOdGnY90xLmBJgEiytsBww27KXXtF3L8mJhAPmUpYrzB6flKlq1MN5TEr gKbkU+qWBdVtrKAW68yo2YXTIZpiR3DPgifLAb24jDy5gkRZPhn17QKUazkuebWViJSbKQTtF v7QlP+4xZ/23ZVOX5McNNQ= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On 09.06.21 21:23, James Bottomley wrote: > but the US is definitely moving > to a regime that says once you're vaccinated it's pretty much over for As far as I see (watching from the other side of the globe), for most states it already is over, no matter whether somebody got a shot or not. (actually, getting reports of people *with* the shot get increasing trouble, eg. kept out of stores, schools, planes, ...). FL and TX seem to be the most relaxed states in this regard. Maybe ask DeStantis and Abbot whether they'd support such a conference in their states, maybe they'd even open their cheque books ;-) > you and I don't see a problem with taking advantage of that for hybrid > style events. However, even with the best will in the world, I can't > see much of a way around the problem that remote people at hybrid > events will always be at a disadvantage ... suggestions for improving > this are always welcome. Looking from a totally different angle, I believe the hybrid approach could even be a benefit. For example, longer talks - IMHO - are easier to do (and for the audience) when just recorded, so people can listen to them any time (and as often one wants to). Spontanous questions right after, I guess, are only helpful for a small minority that's already deep in that particular topic - in those cases I'd prefer a more personal conversation. Another scenario are expert working groups, where people already involved into certain topic talk closely - IMHO something where direct (group) calls are a good medium, and probably working better outside the strict time frames of such an event. Maybe it's good idea to jump back to square one and ask the question, what people actually expect from and try to achieve from such an event, before going into some actual planning. (I could only express my very personal view, but that's probably far from being representative) --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering info@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287