From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: Problems with determining data presence by examining extents?
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:11:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7233E240-8EE5-4CD1-B8A4-A90925F51A1B@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23762.1579121702@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
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On Jan 15, 2020, at 1:55 PM, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca> wrote:
>
>> I think what is needed here is an fadvise/ioctl that tells the filesystem
>> "don't allocate blocks unless actually written" for that file.
>
> Yeah - and it would probably need to find its way onto disk so that its effect
> is persistent and visible to out-of-kernel tools.
>
> It would also have to say that blocks of zeros shouldn't be optimised away.
I don't necessarily see that as a requirement, so long as the filesystem
stores a "block" at that offset, but it could dedupe all zero-filled blocks
to the same "zero block". That still allows saving storage space, while
keeping the semantics of "this block was written into the file" rather than
"there is a hole at this offset".
Cheers, Andreas
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-15 22:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-14 16:48 Problems with determining data presence by examining extents? David Howells
2020-01-14 22:49 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-15 3:54 ` Qu Wenruo
2020-01-15 12:46 ` Andreas Dilger
2020-01-15 13:10 ` Qu Wenruo
2020-01-15 13:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-15 19:48 ` Andreas Dilger
2020-01-16 10:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-15 20:55 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 22:11 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2020-01-15 23:09 ` David Howells
2020-01-26 18:19 ` Zygo Blaxell
2020-01-15 14:35 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-15 14:59 ` David Howells
2020-01-16 10:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-17 16:43 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 14:20 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 8:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-15 13:50 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 14:05 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 14:24 ` Qu Wenruo
2020-01-15 14:50 ` David Howells
2020-01-15 14:15 ` David Howells
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