From: Yongji Xie <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Stefano Garzarella" <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
"Parav Pandit" <parav@nvidia.com>,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
bcrl@kvack.org, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>,
"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v6 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:19:43 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACycT3u_qAE=D_ezLPU9SpXPMACErmpqpH5pMg0TZAb3CZVGdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31aa139a-dd4e-ba8a-c671-a2a1c69c1ffc@redhat.com>
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 10:24 AM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> 在 2021/4/15 下午10:38, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 04:36:35PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >> 在 2021/4/15 下午3:19, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 01:38:37PM +0800, Yongji Xie wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:15 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 04:05:19PM +0800, Xie Yongji wrote:
> >>>>>> VDUSE (vDPA Device in Userspace) is a framework to support
> >>>>>> implementing software-emulated vDPA devices in userspace. This
> >>>>>> document is intended to clarify the VDUSE design and usage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Xie Yongji <xieyongji@bytedance.com>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> Documentation/userspace-api/index.rst | 1 +
> >>>>>> Documentation/userspace-api/vduse.rst | 212 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>> 2 files changed, 213 insertions(+)
> >>>>>> create mode 100644 Documentation/userspace-api/vduse.rst
> >>>>> Just looking over the documentation briefly (I haven't studied the code
> >>>>> yet)...
> >>>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>>>> +How VDUSE works
> >>>>>> +------------
> >>>>>> +Each userspace vDPA device is created by the VDUSE_CREATE_DEV ioctl on
> >>>>>> +the character device (/dev/vduse/control). Then a device file with the
> >>>>>> +specified name (/dev/vduse/$NAME) will appear, which can be used to
> >>>>>> +implement the userspace vDPA device's control path and data path.
> >>>>> These steps are taken after sending the VDPA_CMD_DEV_NEW netlink
> >>>>> message? (Please consider reordering the documentation to make it clear
> >>>>> what the sequence of steps are.)
> >>>>>
> >>>> No, VDUSE devices should be created before sending the
> >>>> VDPA_CMD_DEV_NEW netlink messages which might produce I/Os to VDUSE.
> >>> I see. Please include an overview of the steps before going into detail.
> >>> Something like:
> >>>
> >>> VDUSE devices are started as follows:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Create a new VDUSE instance with ioctl(VDUSE_CREATE_DEV) on
> >>> /dev/vduse/control.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Begin processing VDUSE messages from /dev/vduse/$NAME. The first
> >>> messages will arrive while attaching the VDUSE instance to vDPA.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Send the VDPA_CMD_DEV_NEW netlink message to attach the VDUSE
> >>> instance to vDPA.
> >>>
> >>> VDUSE devices are stopped as follows:
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>>>> + static int netlink_add_vduse(const char *name, int device_id)
> >>>>>> + {
> >>>>>> + struct nl_sock *nlsock;
> >>>>>> + struct nl_msg *msg;
> >>>>>> + int famid;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + nlsock = nl_socket_alloc();
> >>>>>> + if (!nlsock)
> >>>>>> + return -ENOMEM;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (genl_connect(nlsock))
> >>>>>> + goto free_sock;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + famid = genl_ctrl_resolve(nlsock, VDPA_GENL_NAME);
> >>>>>> + if (famid < 0)
> >>>>>> + goto close_sock;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + msg = nlmsg_alloc();
> >>>>>> + if (!msg)
> >>>>>> + goto close_sock;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (!genlmsg_put(msg, NL_AUTO_PORT, NL_AUTO_SEQ, famid, 0, 0,
> >>>>>> + VDPA_CMD_DEV_NEW, 0))
> >>>>>> + goto nla_put_failure;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + NLA_PUT_STRING(msg, VDPA_ATTR_DEV_NAME, name);
> >>>>>> + NLA_PUT_STRING(msg, VDPA_ATTR_MGMTDEV_DEV_NAME, "vduse");
> >>>>>> + NLA_PUT_U32(msg, VDPA_ATTR_DEV_ID, device_id);
> >>>>> What are the permission/capability requirements for VDUSE?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Now I think we need privileged permission (root user). Because
> >>>> userspace daemon is able to access avail vring, used vring, descriptor
> >>>> table in kernel driver directly.
> >>> Please state this explicitly at the start of the document. Existing
> >>> interfaces like FUSE are designed to avoid trusting userspace.
> >>
> >> There're some subtle difference here. VDUSE present a device to kernel which
> >> means IOMMU is probably the only thing to prevent a malicous device.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Therefore
> >>> people might think the same is the case here. It's critical that people
> >>> are aware of this before deploying VDUSE with virtio-vdpa.
> >>>
> >>> We should probably pause here and think about whether it's possible to
> >>> avoid trusting userspace. Even if it takes some effort and costs some
> >>> performance it would probably be worthwhile.
> >>
> >> Since the bounce buffer is used the only attack surface is the coherent
> >> area, if we want to enforce stronger isolation we need to use shadow
> >> virtqueue (which is proposed in earlier version by me) in this case. But I'm
> >> not sure it's worth to do that.
> > The security situation needs to be clear before merging this feature.
>
>
> +1
>
>
> >
> > I think the IOMMU and vring can be made secure. What is more concerning
> > is the kernel code that runs on top: VIRTIO device drivers, network
> > stack, file systems, etc. They trust devices to an extent.
> >
> > Since virtio-vdpa is a big reason for doing VDUSE in the first place I
> > don't think it makes sense to disable virtio-vdpa with VDUSE. A solution
> > is needed.
>
>
> Yes, so the case of VDUSE is something similar to the case of e.g SEV.
>
> Both cases won't trust device and use some kind of software IOTLB.
>
> That means we need to protect at both IOTLB and virtio drivers.
>
> Let me post patches for virtio first.
>
Looking forward your patches.
Thanks.
Yongji
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-16 3:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-31 8:05 [PATCH v6 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 01/10] file: Export receive_fd() to modules Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 9:15 ` Christian Brauner
2021-03-31 9:26 ` Dan Carpenter
2021-03-31 9:28 ` Christian Brauner
2021-03-31 11:32 ` Yongji Xie
2021-03-31 12:23 ` Christian Brauner
2021-03-31 13:59 ` Yongji Xie
2021-03-31 14:07 ` Christian Brauner
2021-03-31 14:37 ` Yongji Xie
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 02/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 03/10] vhost-vdpa: protect concurrent access to vhost device iotlb Xie Yongji
2021-04-09 16:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-11 5:36 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-11 20:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-12 2:29 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-12 9:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 04/10] vhost-iotlb: Add an opaque pointer for vhost IOTLB Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 05/10] vdpa: Add an opaque pointer for vdpa_config_ops.dma_map() Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 06/10] vdpa: factor out vhost_vdpa_pa_map() and vhost_vdpa_pa_unmap() Xie Yongji
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 07/10] vdpa: Support transferring virtual addressing during DMA mapping Xie Yongji
2021-04-08 2:36 ` Jason Wang
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 08/10] vduse: Implement an MMU-based IOMMU driver Xie Yongji
2021-04-08 3:25 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-08 5:27 ` Yongji Xie
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Xie Yongji
2021-04-08 6:57 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-08 9:36 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-09 5:36 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-09 8:02 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-12 7:16 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-12 8:02 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-12 9:37 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-12 9:59 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-13 3:35 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-13 4:28 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-14 8:18 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 3:24 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 8:43 ` Yongji Xie
2021-03-31 8:05 ` [PATCH v6 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Xie Yongji
2021-04-08 7:18 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-08 8:09 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-14 14:14 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-04-15 5:38 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-15 7:19 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-04-15 8:33 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-15 14:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-04-15 8:36 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-15 9:04 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-15 11:17 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-16 2:20 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 2:58 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-16 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 3:18 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-15 14:38 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-04-16 2:23 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 3:19 ` Yongji Xie [this message]
2021-04-16 5:39 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-16 3:13 ` Yongji Xie
2021-04-14 7:34 ` [PATCH v6 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-14 7:49 ` Jason Wang
2021-04-14 7:54 ` Yongji Xie
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