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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
Cc: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	sgrubb@redhat.com, omosnace@redhat.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	simo@redhat.com, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, nhorman@tuxdriver.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 18:39:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhRS66VGtug3fq3RTGHDvfGmBJG6yRJ+iMxm3cxnNF-zJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190529222835.GD8959@cisco>

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 6:28 PM Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:03:58PM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:34 AM Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:29:05AM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:57 AM Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 11:39:09PM -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > > > > > It is not permitted to unset the audit container identifier.
> > > > > > A child inherits its parent's audit container identifier.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > >  /**
> > > > > > + * audit_set_contid - set current task's audit contid
> > > > > > + * @contid: contid value
> > > > > > + *
> > > > > > + * Returns 0 on success, -EPERM on permission failure.
> > > > > > + *
> > > > > > + * Called (set) from fs/proc/base.c::proc_contid_write().
> > > > > > + */
> > > > > > +int audit_set_contid(struct task_struct *task, u64 contid)
> > > > > > +{
> > > > > > +     u64 oldcontid;
> > > > > > +     int rc = 0;
> > > > > > +     struct audit_buffer *ab;
> > > > > > +     uid_t uid;
> > > > > > +     struct tty_struct *tty;
> > > > > > +     char comm[sizeof(current->comm)];
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +     task_lock(task);
> > > > > > +     /* Can't set if audit disabled */
> > > > > > +     if (!task->audit) {
> > > > > > +             task_unlock(task);
> > > > > > +             return -ENOPROTOOPT;
> > > > > > +     }
> > > > > > +     oldcontid = audit_get_contid(task);
> > > > > > +     read_lock(&tasklist_lock);
> > > > > > +     /* Don't allow the audit containerid to be unset */
> > > > > > +     if (!audit_contid_valid(contid))
> > > > > > +             rc = -EINVAL;
> > > > > > +     /* if we don't have caps, reject */
> > > > > > +     else if (!capable(CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL))
> > > > > > +             rc = -EPERM;
> > > > > > +     /* if task has children or is not single-threaded, deny */
> > > > > > +     else if (!list_empty(&task->children))
> > > > > > +             rc = -EBUSY;
> > > > > > +     else if (!(thread_group_leader(task) && thread_group_empty(task)))
> > > > > > +             rc = -EALREADY;
> > > > > > +     read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
> > > > > > +     if (!rc)
> > > > > > +             task->audit->contid = contid;
> > > > > > +     task_unlock(task);
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +     if (!audit_enabled)
> > > > > > +             return rc;
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but it is allowed to change it (assuming
> > > > > capable(CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL), of course)? Seems like this might be more
> > > > > immediately useful since we still live in the world of majority
> > > > > privileged containers if we didn't allow changing it, in addition to
> > > > > un-setting it.
> > > >
> > > > The idea is that only container orchestrators should be able to
> > > > set/modify the audit container ID, and since setting the audit
> > > > container ID can have a significant effect on the records captured
> > > > (and their routing to multiple daemons when we get there) modifying
> > > > the audit container ID is akin to modifying the audit configuration
> > > > which is why it is gated by CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL.  The current thinking
> > > > is that you would only change the audit container ID from one
> > > > set/inherited value to another if you were nesting containers, in
> > > > which case the nested container orchestrator would need to be granted
> > > > CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL (which everyone to date seems to agree is a workable
> > > > compromise).
> > >
> > > But then don't you want some kind of ns_capable() instead (probably
> > > not the obvious one, though...)? With capable(), you can't really nest
> > > using the audit-id and user namespaces together.
> >
> > You want capable() and not ns_capable() because you want to ensure
> > that the orchestrator has the rights in the init_ns as changes to the
> > audit container ID could have an auditing impact that spans the entire
> > system.
>
> Ok but,
>
> > > > The current thinking
> > > > is that you would only change the audit container ID from one
> > > > set/inherited value to another if you were nesting containers, in
> > > > which case the nested container orchestrator would need to be granted
> > > > CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL (which everyone to date seems to agree is a workable
> > > > compromise).
>
> won't work in user namespaced containers, because they will never be
> capable(CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL); so I don't think this will work for
> nesting as is. But maybe nobody cares :)

That's fun :)

To be honest, I've never been a big fan of supporting nested
containers from an audit perspective, so I'm not really too upset
about this.  The k8s/cri-o folks seem okay with this, or at least I
haven't heard any objections; lxc folks, what do you have to say?

-- 
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-29 22:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-09  3:39 [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 01/10] audit: collect audit task parameters Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 02/10] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 14:57   ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 15:29     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 15:34       ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 16:03         ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:28           ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-29 22:39             ` Paul Moore [this message]
2019-05-30 17:09               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2019-05-30 19:29                 ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:29                   ` Tycho Andersen
2019-05-30 23:26                     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-31  0:20                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-31 12:44                         ` Paul Moore
2019-06-03 20:24                           ` Steve Grubb
2019-06-18 22:12                             ` Paul Moore
2019-06-18 22:46                               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:12                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 20:43                         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-15 21:09                         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 15:37                           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 16:08                             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 16:26                               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-08 18:05                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 21:04                     ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 22:03                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 23:30                         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-18  0:51                           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-18 21:52                             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-20  2:19                                 ` James Bottomley
2019-07-19 15:32                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-08 17:51       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-15 20:38         ` Paul Moore
2019-07-16 19:38           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-16 21:39             ` Paul Moore
2019-07-19 16:07   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 03/10] audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2019-07-19 16:03   ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-07-19 17:05     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 04/10] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:15   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08     ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-05-30 14:08       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 05/10] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 12:57   ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 13:40     ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:48       ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09 14:00         ` Ondrej Mosnacek
2019-04-09 14:07         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:53       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09 14:08         ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09 13:46     ` Neil Horman
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 06/10] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 07/10] audit: add containerid support for user records Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 08/10] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:16   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:19     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:34       ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 20:37         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 20:45           ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 21:10             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 09/10] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 22:17   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:15     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-30 14:32       ` Paul Moore
2019-04-09  3:39 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 10/10] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-11 11:31 ` [PATCH ghak90 V6 00/10] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2019-04-22 11:38 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-22 13:49   ` Paul Moore
2019-04-23 10:28     ` Neil Horman
2019-05-28 21:53     ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-28 22:25       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-28 22:26       ` Paul Moore
2019-05-28 23:00         ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-29  0:43           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2019-05-29 12:02             ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 13:17               ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 14:07                 ` Daniel Walsh
2019-05-29 14:33                   ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 13:14             ` Paul Moore
2019-05-29 22:26     ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 13:08       ` Steve Grubb
2019-05-30 13:35         ` Paul Moore
2019-05-30 14:08           ` Richard Guy Briggs

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