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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 07/11] proc: flush task dcache entries from all procfs instances
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:30:11 -0800
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgQnNHYxV7-SyRP=g9vTHyNAK9g1juLLB=eho4=DHVZEQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200213055527.GS23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:55 PM Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> What I don't understand is the insistence on getting those dentries
> via dcache lookups.

I don't think that's an "insistence", it's more of a "historical
behavior" together with "several changes over the years to deal with
dentry-level cleanups and updates".

> _IF_ we are willing to live with cacheline
> contention (on ->d_lock of root dentry, if nothing else), why not
> do the following:
>         * put all dentries of such directories ([0-9]* and [0-9]*/task/*)
> into a list anchored in task_struct; have non-counting reference to
> task_struct stored in them (might simplify part of get_proc_task() users,

Hmm.

Right now I don't think we actually create any dentries at all for the
short-lived process case.

Wouldn't your suggestion make fork/exit rather worse?

Or would you create the dentries dynamically still at lookup time, and
then attach them to the process at that point?

What list would you use for the dentry chaining? Would you play games
with the dentry hashing, and "hash" them off the process, and never
hit in the lookup cache?

Am I misunderstanding what you suggest?

            Linus

  reply index

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-10 15:05 [PATCH v8 00/11] proc: modernize proc to support multiple private instances Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 01/11] proc: Rename struct proc_fs_info to proc_fs_opts Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 02/11] proc: add proc_fs_info struct to store proc information Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 03/11] proc: move /proc/{self|thread-self} dentries to proc_fs_info Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 18:23   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-12 15:00     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 04/11] proc: move hide_pid, pid_gid from pid_namespace " Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 05/11] proc: add helpers to set and get proc hidepid and gid mount options Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 18:30   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-12 14:57     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 06/11] proc: support mounting procfs instances inside same pid namespace Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 07/11] proc: flush task dcache entries from all procfs instances Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 17:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-10 19:23     ` Al Viro
2020-02-11  1:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-11  4:01     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-12 14:49     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-12 14:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-12 17:08         ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-12 18:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 19:16           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-12 19:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 20:03               ` Al Viro
2020-02-12 20:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 20:38                   ` Al Viro
2020-02-12 20:41                     ` Al Viro
2020-02-12 21:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 21:46                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-13  0:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-13  4:37                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-13  5:55                               ` Al Viro
2020-02-13 21:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-02-13 22:23                                   ` Al Viro
2020-02-13 22:47                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-14 14:15                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-14  3:48                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:46                               ` [PATCH 0/7] proc: Dentry flushing without proc_mnt Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:47                                 ` [PATCH 1/7] proc: Rename in proc_inode rename sysctl_inodes sibling_inodes Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:48                                 ` [PATCH 2/7] proc: Generalize proc_sys_prune_dcache into proc_prune_siblings_dcache Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:49                                 ` [PATCH 3/7] proc: Mov rcu_read_(lock|unlock) in proc_prune_siblings_dcache Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 22:33                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-20 20:49                                 ` [PATCH 4/7] proc: Use d_invalidate " Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 22:43                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-20 22:54                                   ` Al Viro
2020-02-20 23:00                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-20 23:03                                     ` Al Viro
2020-02-20 23:39                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:51                                 ` [PATCH 5/7] proc: Clear the pieces of proc_inode that proc_evict_inode cares about Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:52                                 ` [PATCH 6/7] proc: Use a list of inodes to flush from proc Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 20:52                                 ` [PATCH 7/7] proc: Ensure we see the exit of each process tid exactly once Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-21 16:50                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-02-22 15:46                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-20 23:02                                 ` [PATCH 0/7] proc: Dentry flushing without proc_mnt Linus Torvalds
2020-02-20 23:07                                   ` Al Viro
2020-02-20 23:37                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:25                                 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:26                                   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] proc: Rename in proc_inode rename sysctl_inodes sibling_inodes Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:27                                   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] proc: Generalize proc_sys_prune_dcache into proc_prune_siblings_dcache Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:27                                   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] proc: In proc_prune_siblings_dcache cache an aquired super block Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:28                                   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] proc: Use d_invalidate in proc_prune_siblings_dcache Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:28                                   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] proc: Clear the pieces of proc_inode that proc_evict_inode cares about Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-24 16:29                                   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] proc: Use a list of inodes to flush from proc Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 20:17                                   ` [PATCH 0/3] proc: Actually honor the mount options Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 20:18                                     ` [PATCH 1/3] uml: Don't consult current to find the proc_mnt in mconsole_proc Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 20:18                                     ` [PATCH 2/3] uml: Create a private mount of proc for mconsole Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 20:30                                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-02-28 21:28                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 21:59                                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-02-28 20:19                                     ` [PATCH 3/3] proc: Remove the now unnecessary internal mount of proc Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 20:39                                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-02-28 21:40                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-28 22:34                                     ` [PATCH 4/3] pid: Improve the comment about waiting in zap_pid_ns_processes Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-29  2:59                                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-02-14  3:49                     ` [PATCH v8 07/11] proc: flush task dcache entries from all procfs instances Eric W. Biederman
2020-02-12 19:47           ` Al Viro
2020-02-11 22:45   ` Al Viro
2020-02-12 14:26     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 08/11] proc: instantiate only pids that we can ptrace on 'hidepid=4' mount option Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 16:29   ` Jordan Glover
2020-02-12 14:34     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 09/11] proc: add option to mount only a pids subset Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 10/11] docs: proc: add documentation for "hidepid=4" and "subset=pidfs" options and new mount behavior Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 18:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-02-12 16:03     ` Alexey Gladkov
2020-02-10 15:05 ` [PATCH v8 11/11] proc: Move hidepid values to uapi as they are user interface to mount Alexey Gladkov

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