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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] exec: Remove recursion from search_binary_handler
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:20:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjhmoGLcMgcDB0rT-n6waC+rdnjU3FRKAwSTMSG=gaK9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kslq9jm.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:46 AM Eric W. Biederman
<ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
> I am still thinking about this one, but here is where I am at.  At a
> practical level passing the file descriptor of the script to interpreter
> seems like something we should encourage in the long term.  It removes
> races and it is cheaper because then the interpreter does not have to
> turn around and open the script itself.

Yeah, I think we should continue to support it, because I think it's
the right thing to do (and we might just end up having compatibility
issues if we don't).

How about trying to move the logic to the common code, out of binfmt_misc?

IOW, how about something very similar to your "brpm->preserve_creds"
thing that you did for the credentials (also for binfmt_misc, which
shouldn't surprise anybody: binfmt_misc is simply the "this is the
generic thing for letting user mode do the final details").

> Calling fd_install in binfmt_misc still seems wrong, as that exposes
> the new file descriptor to user space with the old creds.

Right.  And it really would be good to simply not have these kinds of
very special cases inside the low-level binfmt code: I'd much rather
have the special cases in the generic code, so that we see what the
ordering is etc. One of the big problems with all these binfmt
callbacks has been the fact that it makes it so hard to think about
and change the generic code, because the low-level binfmt handlers all
do their own special thing.

So moving it to generic code would likely simplify things from that
angle, even if the actual complexity of the feature itself remains.

Besides, we really have exposed this to other code anyway thanks to
that whole bprm->interp_data thing, and the AT_EXECFD AUX entries that
we have. So it's not really "internal" to binfmt_misc _anyway_.

So how about we just move the fd_binary logic to the generic execve
code, and just binfmt_misc set the flag for "yes, please do this",
exactly like "preserve_creds"?

> It is possible although unlikely for userspace to find the file
> descriptor without consulting AT_EXECFD so just to be conservative I
> think we should install the file descriptor in begin_new_exec even if
> the next interpreter does not support AT_EXECFD.

Ack. I think the AT_EXECFD thing is a sign that this isn't internal to
binfmt_misc, but it also shouldn't be gating this issue. In reality,
ELF is the only real binary format that matters - the script/misc
binfmts are just indirection entries - and it supports AT_EXECFD, so
let's just ignore the theoretical case of "maybe nobody exposes it".

So yes, just make it part of begin_new_exec(), and there's no reason
to support more than a single fd. No stacks or arrays of these things
required, I feel. It's not like AT_EXECFD supports the notion of
multiple fd's being reported anyway, nor does it make any sense to
have some kind of nested misc->misc binfmt nesting.

So making that whole interp_data and fd_binary thing be a generic
layer thing would make the search_binary_handler() code in binfmt_misc
be a pure tailcall too, and then the conversion to a loop ends up
working and being the right thing.

No?

                Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-13  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-05 19:39 exec: Promised cleanups after introducing exec_update_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 19:41 ` [PATCH 1/7] binfmt: Move install_exec_creds after setup_new_exec to match binfmt_elf Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 20:45   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-06 12:42   ` Greg Ungerer
2020-05-06 12:56     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 19:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] exec: Make unlocking exec_update_mutex explict Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 20:46   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-05 19:42 ` [PATCH 3/7] exec: Rename the flag called_exec_mmap point_of_no_return Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 20:49   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-05 19:43 ` [PATCH 4/7] exec: Merge install_exec_creds into setup_new_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 20:50   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-05 19:44 ` [PATCH 5/7] exec: In setup_new_exec cache current in the local variable me Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 20:51   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-05 19:45 ` [PATCH 6/7] exec: Move most of setup_new_exec into flush_old_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 21:29   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-06 14:57     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-06 15:30       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-07 19:51         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-07 21:51     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-08  5:50       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-05 19:46 ` [PATCH 7/7] exec: Rename flush_old_exec begin_new_exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-05 21:30   ` Kees Cook
2020-05-06 12:41 ` exec: Promised cleanups after introducing exec_update_mutex Greg Ungerer
2020-05-08 18:43 ` [PATCH 0/6] exec: Trivial cleanups for exec Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-08 18:44   ` [PATCH 1/6] exec: Move the comment from above de_thread to above unshare_sighand Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:02     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-08 18:44   ` [PATCH 2/6] exec: Fix spelling of search_binary_handler in a comment Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:03     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-08 18:45   ` [PATCH 3/6] exec: Stop open coding mutex_lock_killable of cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:08     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:18     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 19:57       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-10 20:33       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-08 18:45   ` [PATCH 4/6] exec: Run sync_mm_rss before taking exec_update_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:15     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 14:17       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-08 18:47   ` [PATCH 5/6] exec: Move handling of the point of no return to the top level Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:31     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 13:39       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-08 18:48   ` [PATCH 6/6] exec: Set the point of no return sooner Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09  5:33     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:40   ` [PATCH 0/5] exec: Control flow simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 19:40     ` [PATCH 1/5] exec: Call cap_bprm_set_creds directly from prepare_binprm Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 19:41     ` [PATCH 2/5] exec: Directly call security_bprm_set_creds from __do_execve_file Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:07       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-09 20:12         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-11  3:15       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-11 16:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 21:18           ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:41     ` [PATCH 3/5] exec: Remove recursion from search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 20:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-10  4:22       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-10 19:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-11 14:33           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 19:10             ` Rob Landley
2020-05-13 21:59               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-14 18:46                 ` Rob Landley
2020-05-11 21:55             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 18:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-12 19:25                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 20:31                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-12 23:08                     ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 23:47                       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-12 23:51                         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-14 14:56                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-14 16:56                             ` Casey Schaufler
2020-05-14 17:02                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-13  0:20                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-05-13  2:39                   ` Rob Landley
2020-05-13 19:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14 16:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-09 19:42     ` [PATCH 4/5] exec: Allow load_misc_binary to call prepare_binfmt unconditionally Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 22:09       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-09 19:42     ` [PATCH 5/5] exec: Move the call of prepare_binprm into search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-11 22:24       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  0:29     ` [PATCH v2 0/8] exec: Control flow simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:29       ` [PATCH v2 1/8] exec: Teach prepare_exec_creds how exec treats uids & gids Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:03         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 18:57             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:30       ` [PATCH v2 2/8] exec: Factor security_bprm_creds_for_exec out of security_bprm_set_creds Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 15:34         ` Casey Schaufler
2020-05-19 18:10         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:28           ` James Morris
2020-05-19  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 3/8] exec: Convert security_bprm_set_creds into security_bprm_repopulate_creds Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:21         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:14             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-20 20:22               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 20:53                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:52         ` James Morris
2020-05-20 12:40           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 4/8] exec: Allow load_misc_binary to call prepare_binfmt unconditionally Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:27         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:08           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:17             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  0:32       ` [PATCH v2 5/8] exec: Move the call of prepare_binprm into search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 18:27         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 21:30         ` James Morris
2020-05-19  0:33       ` [PATCH v2 6/8] exec/binfmt_script: Don't modify bprm->buf and then return -ENOEXEC Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:08         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:19           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:33       ` [PATCH v2 7/8] exec: Generic execfd support Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 19:46         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19 19:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 20:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 21:59         ` Rob Landley
2020-05-20 16:05           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-21 22:50             ` Rob Landley
2020-05-22  3:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-22  4:51                 ` Rob Landley
2020-05-22 13:35                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19  0:34       ` [PATCH v2 8/8] exec: Remove recursion from search_binary_handler Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-19 20:37         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-19  1:25       ` [PATCH v2 0/8] exec: Control flow simplifications Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19 21:55       ` Kees Cook
2020-05-20 13:02         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 22:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-20 23:43         ` Kees Cook
2020-05-21 11:53           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:38       ` [PATCH 0/11] exec: cred calculation simplifications Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:41         ` [PATCH 01/11] exec: Reduce bprm->per_clear to a single bit Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 19:17             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:42         ` [PATCH 02/11] exec: Introduce active_per_clear the per file version of per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 15:42         ` [PATCH 03/11] exec: Compute file based creds only once Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:43         ` [PATCH 04/11] exec: Move uid/gid handling from creds_from_file into bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:44         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:44         ` [PATCH 05/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid use CAP_SETGID to see if a gid change is safe Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:48         ` [PATCH 06/11] exec: Don't set secureexec when the uid or gid changes are abandoned Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:48         ` [PATCH 07/11] exec: Set saved, fs, and effective ids together in bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:49         ` [PATCH 08/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid remove unnecessary no new privs check Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:49         ` [PATCH 09/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid only set per_clear when honoring suid or sgid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-28 19:21             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:50         ` [PATCH 10/11] exec: In bprm_fill_uid set secureexec at same time as per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-28 15:50         ` [PATCH 11/11] exec: Remove the label after_setid from bprm_fill_uid Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 16:45         ` [PATCH 0/2] exec: Remove the computation of bprm->cred Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 16:46           ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: Add a per bprm->file version of per_clear Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 21:06             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-30  3:23               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-30  5:14                 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-29 16:47           ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Compute file based creds only once Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-29 21:24             ` Kees Cook
2020-05-30  3:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-05-30  5:18                 ` Kees Cook

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