From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Yurii Zubrytskyi <zyy@google.com>
Cc: Eugene Zemtsov <ezemtsov@google.com>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Initial patches for Incremental FS
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 11:02:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegtHsE9j_SFKKfuibR4_ZDHeNzqCx8YvmN6uY_YmgR28kA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJeUaNAcZXfX-7Ws0q7SnaWrD+nzK3hxPwoW-NYvjAL0b=8M9g@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:45 AM Yurii Zubrytskyi <zyy@google.com> wrote:
> We'd need to give the location of the hash tree instead of the
> individual hash here though - verification has to go all the way to
> the top and even check the signature there. And the same 5 GB file
> would have over 40 MB of hashes (32 bytes of SHA2 for each 4K block),
> so those have to be read from disk as well.
As I think Eugene mentioned, dealing with the hash tree should be done
by the verity subsystem anyway.
> Overall, let's just imagine a phone with 100 apps, 100MB each,
> installed this way. That ends up being ~10GB of data, so we'd need _at
> least_ 40 MB for the index and 80 MB for hashes *in kernel*.
Seriously? Are those 100 apps accessing that 10G simultaneously?
I really don't know the usage pattern of those apps, but I can imagine
that some games do quite a lot of paging data in and out. And my
guess is that most of those page-ins will still be sequential, and so
getting a pageful of index from userspace will allow the kernel to
serve quite a few reads without having to go back to userspace.
My guess is that even really tiny amount of caching (e.g. one page of
index per open file) will get 90% or more of the possible performance
improvement. But those are all just guesses. If you say this is not
the right direction for your project, fine.
Thanks,
Miklos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-31 9:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-05-02 4:03 Initial patches for Incremental FS ezemtsov
2019-05-02 4:03 ` [PATCH 1/6] incfs: Add first files of incrementalfs ezemtsov
2019-05-02 19:06 ` Miklos Szeredi
2019-05-02 20:41 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-05-07 15:57 ` Jann Horn
2019-05-07 17:13 ` Greg KH
2019-05-07 17:18 ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 4:03 ` [PATCH 2/6] incfs: Backing file format ezemtsov
2019-05-02 4:03 ` [PATCH 3/6] incfs: Management of in-memory FS data structures ezemtsov
2019-05-02 4:03 ` [PATCH 4/6] incfs: Integration with VFS layer ezemtsov
2019-05-02 4:03 ` [PATCH 6/6] incfs: Integration tests for incremental-fs ezemtsov
2019-05-02 11:19 ` Initial patches for Incremental FS Amir Goldstein
2019-05-02 13:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-02 13:26 ` Al Viro
2019-05-03 4:23 ` Eugene Zemtsov
2019-05-03 5:19 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-05-08 20:09 ` Eugene Zemtsov
2019-05-09 8:15 ` Amir Goldstein
[not found] ` <CAK8JDrEQnXTcCtAPkb+S4r4hORiKh_yX=0A0A=LYSVKUo_n4OA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-05-21 1:32 ` Yurii Zubrytskyi
2019-05-22 8:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2019-05-22 17:25 ` Yurii Zubrytskyi
2019-05-23 4:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2019-05-29 21:06 ` Yurii Zubrytskyi
2019-05-30 9:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2019-05-30 22:45 ` Yurii Zubrytskyi
2019-05-31 9:02 ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2019-05-22 10:54 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-05-03 7:23 ` Richard Weinberger
2019-05-03 10:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2019-05-02 13:46 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-05-02 18:16 ` Richard Weinberger
2019-05-02 18:33 ` Richard Weinberger
2019-05-02 13:47 ` J. R. Okajima
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