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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: "Ian Kent" <raven@themaw.net>, "Karel Zak" <kzak@redhat.com>,
	"Miklos Szeredi" <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	"Steven Whitehouse" <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian@brauner.io>,
	"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	"Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Lennart Poettering" <lennart@poettering.net>,
	"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	util-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/17] VFS: Filesystem information and notifications [ver #17]
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:40:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegtZ0EYhQYeUmqYNd+Y+K88g4P6BKahhtf7VkuXZoe_UYQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1582902521.3338.20.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:

> Containers are file based entities, so file descriptors are their most
> natural thing and they have full ACL protection within the container
> (can't open the file, can't then get the fd).  The other reason
> container people like file descriptors (all the Xat system calls that
> have been introduced) is that if we do actually need to break the
> boundaries or privileges of the container, we can do so by getting the
> orchestration system to pass in a fd the interior of the container
> wouldn't have access to.

Yeah, agreed about the simplicity of fd based access.   Then again a
filesystem access would allow immediate access to all scripts,
languages, etc.  That, I think is a huge bonus compared to the
ioctl-like mess that the current proposal is, which would require
library, utility, language binding updates on all changes.  Ugh.

One way to resolve that is to have the mount information
magic-symlinked from /proc/PID/fdmount/FD directly to the mountinfo
dir, which would then have a link into the sbinfo dir.  With other
access denied to all except sysadmin.

Would that work?

Thanks,
Miklos

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-28 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-21 18:01 [PATCH 00/17] VFS: Filesystem information and notifications [ver #17] David Howells
2020-02-21 18:01 ` [PATCH 01/17] watch_queue: Add security hooks to rule on setting mount and sb watches " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 02/17] watch_queue: Implement mount topology and attribute change notifications " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 03/17] watch_queue: sample: Display mount tree " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 04/17] watch_queue: Introduce a non-repeating system-unique superblock ID " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 05/17] watch_queue: Add superblock notifications " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 06/17] watch_queue: sample: Display " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 07/17] fsinfo: Add fsinfo() syscall to query filesystem information " David Howells
2020-02-26  2:29   ` Aleksa Sarai
2020-02-28 14:44   ` David Howells
2020-02-21 18:02 ` [PATCH 08/17] fsinfo: Provide a bitmap of supported features " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 09/17] fsinfo: Allow fsinfo() to look up a mount object by ID " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 10/17] fsinfo: Allow mount information to be queried " David Howells
2020-03-04 14:58   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-04 16:10   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 11/17] fsinfo: sample: Mount listing program " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 12/17] fsinfo: Allow the mount topology propogation flags to be retrieved " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 13/17] fsinfo: Query superblock unique ID and notification counter " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 14/17] fsinfo: Add API documentation " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 15/17] fsinfo: Add support for AFS " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:03 ` [PATCH 16/17] fsinfo: Add example support for Ext4 " David Howells
2020-02-21 18:04 ` [PATCH 17/17] fsinfo: Add example support for NFS " David Howells
2020-02-21 20:21 ` [PATCH 00/17] VFS: Filesystem information and notifications " James Bottomley
2020-02-24 10:24   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-24 14:55     ` James Bottomley
2020-02-24 15:28       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-25 12:13         ` Steven Whitehouse
2020-02-25 15:28           ` James Bottomley
2020-02-25 15:47             ` Steven Whitehouse
2020-02-26  9:11             ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-26 10:51               ` Steven Whitehouse
2020-02-27  5:06               ` Ian Kent
2020-02-27  9:36                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-27 11:34                   ` Ian Kent
2020-02-27 13:45                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-27 15:14                       ` Karel Zak
2020-02-28  0:43                         ` Ian Kent
2020-02-28  8:35                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-28 12:27                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-02-28 16:24                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-02-28 17:15                                 ` Al Viro
2020-03-02  8:43                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-02 10:34                                 ` Karel Zak
2020-02-28 16:42                               ` David Howells
2020-02-28 15:08                             ` James Bottomley
2020-02-28 15:40                               ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2020-02-28  0:12                       ` Ian Kent
2020-02-28 15:52             ` Christian Brauner
2020-02-28 16:36             ` David Howells
2020-03-02  9:09               ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-02  9:38                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03  5:27                 ` Ian Kent
2020-03-03  7:46                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-06 16:25                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-06 19:43                       ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 19:54                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-06 19:58                         ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:05                           ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:11                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-06 20:37                             ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:38                               ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:45                                 ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:49                                   ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:51                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-06 21:28                                       ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:56                                     ` Al Viro
2020-03-06 20:51                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-07  9:48                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-07 20:48                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03  9:12                   ` David Howells
2020-03-03  9:26                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03  9:48                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 10:21                         ` Steven Whitehouse
2020-03-03 10:32                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 11:09                             ` Ian Kent
2020-03-03 10:00                       ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 10:13                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 10:25                           ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 11:33                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 11:56                               ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 11:38                       ` Karel Zak
2020-03-03 13:03                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 13:14                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 13:34                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 13:43                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 14:10                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 14:13                                   ` Jann Horn
2020-03-03 14:24                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 15:44                                       ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 16:37                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 16:51                                         ` Jeff Layton
2020-03-03 16:55                                           ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 19:02                                             ` Jeff Layton
2020-03-03 19:07                                               ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 19:23                                               ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 19:43                                                 ` Jeff Layton
2020-03-03 20:33                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 21:03                                                     ` Jeff Layton
2020-03-03 21:20                                                       ` Jens Axboe
2020-03-03 14:10                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-03-03 14:29                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 14:40                                     ` Jann Horn
2020-03-03 16:51                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 16:57                                         ` Jann Horn
2020-03-03 20:15                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 14:40                                   ` David Howells
2020-03-04  4:20                                   ` Ian Kent
2020-03-03 14:19                                 ` David Howells
2020-03-03 16:59                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 14:23                               ` Christian Brauner
2020-03-03 15:23                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-03 15:53                                 ` David Howells
2020-03-04  2:01                           ` Ian Kent
2020-03-04 15:22                             ` Karel Zak
2020-03-04 16:49                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-03-04 17:55                                 ` Karel Zak
2020-03-03 14:09                         ` David Howells

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