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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
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	fenghua.yu@intel.com,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
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	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: BUG: Mount ignores mount options
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:54:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegtuf7=sEMJhaiQj8e31uvFzckRSHH4Bf9nTNn4gxV10Ow@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180811015815.GD6515@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 3:58 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:

>  What I'm saying is that the entire superblock-creating
> machinery - all of it - is nothing but library helpers.  With the
> decision of when/how/if they are to be used being down to filesystem
> driver.  Your "first mount"/"additional mount" simply do not map
> to anything universally applicable.

Why so?   (Note: using the "mount" terminology here is fundamentally
broken to start with, mounts have nothing to do with this...
Filesystem instance is better word.)

You bring up NFS as an example, but creating and/or reusing an nfs
client instance connected to a certain server is certainly a clear and
well defined concept.

The question becomes:  does it make  sense to generalize this concept
and export it to userspace with the new API?

You know the Plan 9 fs interface much better, but to me it looks like
there's a separate namespace for filesystem instances, and the mount
command just refers to such an instance.  So there's no comparing of
options or any such horror, just the need to explicitly instantiate a
new instance when necessary.  Doesn't sound very difficult to
implement in the new API.

Thanks,
Miklos

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-13 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-01 15:23 [PATCH 00/33] VFS: Introduce filesystem context [ver #11] David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 01/33] vfs: syscall: Add open_tree(2) to reference or clone a mount " David Howells
2018-08-02 17:31   ` Alan Jenkins
2018-08-02 21:29     ` Al Viro
2018-08-02 21:51   ` David Howells
2018-08-02 23:46     ` Alan Jenkins
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 02/33] vfs: syscall: Add move_mount(2) to move mounts around " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 03/33] teach move_mount(2) to work with OPEN_TREE_CLONE " David Howells
2018-10-12 14:25   ` Alan Jenkins
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 04/33] vfs: Suppress MS_* flag defs within the kernel unless explicitly enabled " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 05/33] vfs: Introduce the basic header for the new mount API's filesystem context " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 06/33] vfs: Introduce logging functions " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 07/33] vfs: Add configuration parser helpers " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:24 ` [PATCH 08/33] vfs: Add LSM hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-01 20:50   ` James Morris
2018-08-01 22:53   ` David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 09/33] selinux: Implement the new mount API LSM hooks " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 10/33] smack: Implement filesystem context security " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 11/33] apparmor: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 12/33] tomoyo: " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 13/33] vfs: Separate changing mount flags full remount " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 14/33] vfs: Implement a filesystem superblock creation/configuration context " David Howells
2018-09-11 17:46   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-11 21:52   ` David Howells
2018-09-11 22:07     ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-11 23:17     ` David Howells
2018-09-11 23:54       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-18  9:07         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-18  9:40           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-18 14:06           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-09-19  1:12             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-19  1:26               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-18 15:34         ` David Howells
2018-09-18 16:39         ` David Howells
2018-09-19  1:15           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-18 17:43         ` David Howells
2018-09-18  9:54   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-09-18 15:28   ` David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 15/33] vfs: Remove unused code after filesystem context changes " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:25 ` [PATCH 16/33] procfs: Move proc_fill_super() to fs/proc/root.c " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 17/33] proc: Add fs_context support to procfs " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 18/33] ipc: Convert mqueue fs to fs_context " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 19/33] cpuset: Use " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 20/33] kernfs, sysfs, cgroup, intel_rdt: Support " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 21/33] hugetlbfs: Convert to " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 22/33] vfs: Remove kern_mount_data() " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 23/33] vfs: Provide documentation for new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 24/33] Make anon_inodes unconditional " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:26 ` [PATCH 25/33] vfs: syscall: Add fsopen() to prepare for superblock creation " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 26/33] vfs: Implement logging through fs_context " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 27/33] vfs: Add some logging to the core users of the fs_context log " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 28/33] vfs: syscall: Add fsconfig() for configuring and managing a context " David Howells
2018-08-06 17:28   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-09 14:14   ` David Howells
2018-08-09 14:24   ` David Howells
2018-08-09 14:35     ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-08-09 15:32     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-09 16:33     ` David Howells
2018-08-11 20:20     ` David Howells
2018-08-11 23:26       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 29/33] vfs: syscall: Add fsmount() to create a mount for a superblock " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 30/33] vfs: syscall: Add fspick() to select a superblock for reconfiguration " David Howells
2018-08-24 14:51   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-08-24 14:54     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 31/33] afs: Add fs_context support " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 32/33] afs: Use fs_context to pass parameters over automount " David Howells
2018-08-01 15:27 ` [PATCH 33/33] vfs: Add a sample program for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-08-10 14:05 ` BUG: Mount ignores mount options Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 14:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-10 15:17     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 15:24     ` Al Viro
2018-08-10 15:11   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-10 15:13   ` David Howells
2018-08-10 15:16   ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  1:05     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:46       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-11  4:48         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11 17:47           ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-15  4:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:58       ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  2:17         ` Al Viro
2018-08-11  4:43           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-13 12:54         ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2018-08-10 15:11 ` David Howells
2018-08-10 15:39   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 15:55     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-10 16:11     ` David Howells
2018-08-10 18:00     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-10 15:53   ` David Howells
2018-08-10 16:14     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 20:06       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-10 20:46         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-10 22:12           ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-08-10 23:54             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-11  0:38               ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-08-11  1:32                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-13 16:35         ` Alan Cox
2018-08-13 16:48           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-13 17:29             ` Al Viro
2018-08-13 19:00               ` James Morris
2018-08-13 19:20                 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-08-15 23:29                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-08-11  0:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  1:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-11  7:29   ` David Howells
2018-08-11 16:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-11 16:51       ` Al Viro
2018-08-15 16:31 ` Should we split the network filesystem setup into two phases? David Howells
2018-08-15 16:51   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-16  3:51   ` Steve French
2018-08-16  5:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-16 16:24     ` Steve French
2018-08-16 17:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-08-16 17:23       ` Aurélien Aptel
2018-08-16 18:36         ` Steve French
2018-08-17 23:11     ` Al Viro

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