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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC] what to do with IOCB_DSYNC?
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:32:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YNCjDmqeomXagKIe@zeniv-ca.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210621142235.GA2391@lst.de>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:22:35PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:16:50PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:09:56PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 03:03:07PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > i suggested that to viro last night, and he pointed out that ioctl(S_SYNC)
> > > 
> > > Where would that S_SYNC ioctl be implemented?
> > 
> > xfs_diflags_to_iflags(
> >         if (xflags & FS_XFLAG_SYNC)
> >                 flags |= S_SYNC;
> > 
> > (mutatis mutandi per filesystem)
> 
> 
> Ok, your description above wasn't very exact.

Sorry - the relevant part of conversation went

< viro> willy: that's the part that can't be done at open() time
< willy> because we might mount -o remount,sync after open()?
< viro> ... as well as setting S_SYNC via ioctl

Should've been phrased better...

> Anyway, that at least doesn't go out to the superblock.  But if Al
> dislikes it we can also make generic_sync_file and friends check
> IS_SYNC() again.  Having a single flag is kinda nice as it avoids
> stupid errors, but if we actually have a performance problem here
> (do we have any data on that?) just going back to the old way would
> seem like the simplest fix.

	IIRC, there had been profiling data posted with init_sync_kiocb()
responsible for large part of new_sync_write()/new_sync_read() overhead.
Remember the threads about the use of ->read_iter()/->write_iter() being
slower than having ->read()/->write()?  Back in December or so, I think;
one surprising part had been that large chunk of overhead sat not in
suboptimal iov_iter primitives, but right in new_sync_read()/new_sync_write()
with init_sync_kiocb() being the source of it,

	I'd rather have a single helper for those checks, rather than
open-coding IS_SYNC() + IOCB_DSYNC in each, for obvious reasons...

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-21 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-21  0:46 [RFC] what to do with IOCB_DSYNC? Al Viro
2021-06-21 13:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-21 14:03   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-06-21 14:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-21 14:16       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-06-21 14:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-21 14:32           ` Al Viro [this message]
2021-06-21 14:35             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-21 15:22               ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-21 17:48               ` Al Viro
2022-05-21 19:03                 ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-21 22:14                   ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22  7:45                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-05-22 10:23                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-22 10:36                         ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 11:15                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-22 11:45                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-05-22 12:39                               ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 12:48                                 ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 13:02                                   ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 13:07                                     ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 13:09                                       ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 18:06                                         ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 18:25                                           ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 18:29                                             ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 18:39                                               ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 18:48                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 19:04                                                   ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 20:03                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23  0:42                                                       ` Al Viro
2022-05-23  1:22                                                         ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23  1:28                                                           ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23  1:50                                                             ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23  2:43                                                               ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23 14:22                                                                 ` Al Viro
2022-05-23 14:34                                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23 14:47                                                                     ` Al Viro
2022-05-23 15:12                                                                       ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23 15:44                                                                         ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23 15:49                                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-23 15:55                                                                             ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-23 16:03                                                                               ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-26 14:46                                                                                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-27 10:09                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2022-05-27 10:15                                                                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-27 14:45                                                                                       ` Samuel Neves
2022-05-27 10:25                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2022-05-27 10:36                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-05-28 20:54                                                                                         ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-28 20:38                                                                                       ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-28 20:39                                                                                         ` Sedat Dilek
2022-05-23 16:15                                                                         ` Al Viro
2022-05-25 14:34                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-05-26 23:19                                                     ` Al Viro
2022-05-27 14:51                                                       ` Jens Axboe
2022-05-22 12:21                             ` Al Viro
2022-05-22  7:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-05-22 12:41                   ` Al Viro
2022-05-22 12:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-21 14:22       ` Al Viro

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