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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, jane.chu@oracle.com,
	willy@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, sandeen@sandeen.net
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET 0/2] dax: fix broken pmem poison narrative
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:39:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRtnlPERHfMZ23Tr@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <162914791879.197065.12619905059952917229.stgit@magnolia>

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 02:05:18PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> AFAICT, the only reason why the "punch and write" dance works at all is
> that the XFS and ext4 currently call blkdev_issue_zeroout when
> allocating pmem as part of a pwrite call.  A pwrite without the punch
> won't clear the poison, because pwrite on a DAX file calls
> dax_direct_access to access the memory directly, and dax_direct_access
> is only smart enough to bail out on poisoned pmem.  It does not know how
> to clear it.  Userspace could solve the problem by calling FIEMAP and
> issuing a BLKZEROOUT, but that requires rawio capabilities.
> 
> The whole pmem poison recovery story is is wrong and needs to be
> corrected ASAP before everyone else starts doing this.  Therefore,
> create a dax_zeroinit_range function that filesystems can call to reset
> the contents of the pmem to a known value and clear any state associated
> with the media error.  Then, connect FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE to this new
> function (for DAX files) so that unprivileged userspace has a safe way
> to reset the pmem and clear media errors.

I agree with the problem statement, but I don't think the fix is
significantly better than what we have, as it still magically overloads
other behavior.  I'd rather have an explicit operation to clear the
poison both at the syscall level (maybe another falloc mode), and the
internal kernel API level (new method in dax_operations).

Also for the next iteration please split the iomap changes from the
usage in xfs.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-17  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-16 21:05 Darrick J. Wong
2021-08-16 21:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] xfs: use DAX block device zeroout for FSDAX file ZERO_RANGE operations Darrick J. Wong
2021-08-16 21:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: " Darrick J. Wong
2021-08-16 21:14 ` [PATCHSET 0/2] dax: fix broken pmem poison narrative Darrick J. Wong
2021-08-17  7:39 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2021-08-17 15:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-08-24 19:25   ` Jane Chu

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