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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Stephen Brennan <stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] dcache: sweep cached negative dentries to the end of list of siblings
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 03:27:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgxvK03Q3wBVfLYS@zeniv-ca.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875ypf8s5m.fsf@stepbren-lnx.us.oracle.com>

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 06:24:53PM -0800, Stephen Brennan wrote:

> It seems to me that, if we had taken a reference on child by
> incrementing the reference count prior to unlocking it, then
> dentry_unlist could never have been called, since we would never have
> made it into __dentry_kill. child would still be on the list, and any
> cursor (or sweep_negative) list updates would now be reflected in
> child->d_child.next. But dput is definitely not safe while holding a
> lock on a parent dentry (even more so now thanks to my patch), so that
> is out of the question.
> 
> Would dput_to_list be an appropriate solution to that issue? We can
> maintain a dispose list in d_walk and then for any dput which really
> drops the refcount to 0, we can handle them after d_walk is done. It
> shouldn't be that many dentries anyway.

	Interesting idea, but... what happens to behaviour of e.g.
shrink_dcache_parent()?  You'd obviously need to modify the test in
select_collect(), but then the selected dentries become likely candidates
for d_walk() itself wanting to move them over to its internal shrink list.
OTOH, __dput_to_list() will just decrement the count and skip the sucker
if it's already on a shrink list...

	It might work, but it really needs a careful analysis wrt.
parallel d_walk().  What happens when you have two threads hitting
shrink_dcache_parent() on two different places, one being an ancestor
of another?  That can happen in parallel, and currently it does work
correctly, but that's fairly delicate and there are places where a minor
change could turn O(n) into O(n^2), etc.

	Let me think about that - I'm not saying it's hopeless, and it
would be nice to avoid that subtlety in dentry_unlist(), but there
might be dragons.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-16  3:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-09 23:14 [PATCH v2 0/4] Fix softlockup when adding inotify watch Stephen Brennan
2022-02-09 23:14 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] dcache: sweep cached negative dentries to the end of list of siblings Stephen Brennan
2022-02-10  5:33   ` Al Viro
2022-02-16  2:24     ` Stephen Brennan
2022-02-16  3:27       ` Al Viro [this message]
2022-02-16  3:49         ` Al Viro
2022-02-16  7:43           ` Stephen Brennan
2022-02-09 23:14 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] fsnotify: stop walking child dentries if remaining tail is negative Stephen Brennan
2022-02-09 23:14 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] dcache: add action D_WALK_SKIP_SIBLINGS to d_walk() Stephen Brennan
2022-02-09 23:14 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] dcache: stop walking siblings if remaining dentries all negative Stephen Brennan

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