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Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Project idea: Swap to zoned block devices To: Matthew Wilcox , Naohiro Aota Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton References: <20191015043827.160444-1-naohiro.aota@wdc.com> <20191015113548.GD32665@bombadil.infradead.org> From: Hannes Reinecke Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=hare@suse.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBE6KyREBEACwRN6XKClPtxPiABx5GW+Yr1snfhjzExxkTYaINHsWHlsLg13kiemsS6o7 qrc+XP8FmhcnCOts9e2jxZxtmpB652lxRB9jZE40mcSLvYLM7S6aH0WXKn8bOqpqOGJiY2bc 6qz6rJuqkOx3YNuUgiAxjuoYauEl8dg4bzex3KGkGRuxzRlC8APjHlwmsr+ETxOLBfUoRNuE b4nUtaseMPkNDwM4L9+n9cxpGbdwX0XwKFhlQMbG3rWA3YqQYWj1erKIPpgpfM64hwsdk9zZ QO1krgfULH4poPQFpl2+yVeEMXtsSou915jn/51rBelXeLq+cjuK5+B/JZUXPnNDoxOG3j3V VSZxkxLJ8RO1YamqZZbVP6jhDQ/bLcAI3EfjVbxhw9KWrh8MxTcmyJPn3QMMEp3wpVX9nSOQ tzG72Up/Py67VQe0x8fqmu7R4MmddSbyqgHrab/Nu+ak6g2RRn3QHXAQ7PQUq55BDtj85hd9 W2iBiROhkZ/R+Q14cJkWhzaThN1sZ1zsfBNW0Im8OVn/J8bQUaS0a/NhpXJWv6J1ttkX3S0c QUratRfX4D1viAwNgoS0Joq7xIQD+CfJTax7pPn9rT////hSqJYUoMXkEz5IcO+hptCH1HF3 qz77aA5njEBQrDRlslUBkCZ5P+QvZgJDy0C3xRGdg6ZVXEXJOQARAQABtCpIYW5uZXMgUmVp bmVja2UgKFN1U0UgTGFicykgPGhhcmVAc3VzZS5kZT6JAkEEEwECACsCGwMFCRLMAwAGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheABQJOisquAhkBAAoJEGz4yi9OyKjPOHoQAJLeLvr6JNHx GPcHXaJLHQiinz2QP0/wtsT8+hE26dLzxb7hgxLafj9XlAXOG3FhGd+ySlQ5wSbbjdxNjgsq FIjqQ88/Lk1NfnqG5aUTPmhEF+PzkPogEV7Pm5Q17ap22VK623MPaltEba+ly6/pGOODbKBH ak3gqa7Gro5YCQzNU0QVtMpWyeGF7xQK76DY/atvAtuVPBJHER+RPIF7iv5J3/GFIfdrM+wS BubFVDOibgM7UBnpa7aohZ9RgPkzJpzECsbmbttxYaiv8+EOwark4VjvOne8dRaj50qeyJH6 HLpBXZDJH5ZcYJPMgunghSqghgfuUsd5fHmjFr3hDb5EoqAfgiRMSDom7wLZ9TGtT6viDldv hfWaIOD5UhpNYxfNgH6Y102gtMmN4o2P6g3UbZK1diH13s9DA5vI2mO2krGz2c5BOBmcctE5 iS+JWiCizOqia5Op+B/tUNye/YIXSC4oMR++Fgt30OEafB8twxydMAE3HmY+foawCpGq06yM vAguLzvm7f6wAPesDAO9vxRNC5y7JeN4Kytl561ciTICmBR80Pdgs/Obj2DwM6dvHquQbQrU Op4XtD3eGUW4qgD99DrMXqCcSXX/uay9kOG+fQBfK39jkPKZEuEV2QdpE4Pry36SUGfohSNq xXW+bMc6P+irTT39VWFUJMcSuQINBE6KyREBEACvEJggkGC42huFAqJcOcLqnjK83t4TVwEn JRisbY/VdeZIHTGtcGLqsALDzk+bEAcZapguzfp7cySzvuR6Hyq7hKEjEHAZmI/3IDc9nbdh EgdCiFatah0XZ/p4vp7KAelYqbv8YF/ORLylAdLh9rzLR6yHFqVaR4WL4pl4kEWwFhNSHLxe 55G56/dxBuoj4RrFoX3ynerXfbp4dH2KArPc0NfoamqebuGNfEQmDbtnCGE5zKcR0zvmXsRp qU7+caufueZyLwjTU+y5p34U4PlOO2Q7/bdaPEdXfpgvSpWk1o3H36LvkPV/PGGDCLzaNn04 BdiiiPEHwoIjCXOAcR+4+eqM4TSwVpTn6SNgbHLjAhCwCDyggK+3qEGJph+WNtNU7uFfscSP k4jqlxc8P+hn9IqaMWaeX9nBEaiKffR7OKjMdtFFnBRSXiW/kOKuuRdeDjL5gWJjY+IpdafP KhjvUFtfSwGdrDUh3SvB5knSixE3qbxbhbNxmqDVzyzMwunFANujyyVizS31DnWC6tKzANkC k15CyeFC6sFFu+WpRxvC6fzQTLI5CRGAB6FAxz8Hu5rpNNZHsbYs9Vfr/BJuSUfRI/12eOCL IvxRPpmMOlcI4WDW3EDkzqNAXn5Onx/b0rFGFpM4GmSPriEJdBb4M4pSD6fN6Y/Jrng/Bdwk SQARAQABiQIlBBgBAgAPBQJOiskRAhsMBQkSzAMAAAoJEGz4yi9OyKjPgEwQAIP/gy/Xqc1q OpzfFScswk3CEoZWSqHxn/fZasa4IzkwhTUmukuIvRew+BzwvrTxhHcz9qQ8hX7iDPTZBcUt ovWPxz+3XfbGqE+q0JunlIsP4N+K/I10nyoGdoFpMFMfDnAiMUiUatHRf9Wsif/nT6oRiPNJ T0EbbeSyIYe+ZOMFfZBVGPqBCbe8YMI+JiZeez8L9JtegxQ6O3EMQ//1eoPJ5mv5lWXLFQfx f4rAcKseM8DE6xs1+1AIsSIG6H+EE3tVm+GdCkBaVAZo2VMVapx9k8RMSlW7vlGEQsHtI0FT c1XNOCGjaP4ITYUiOpfkh+N0nUZVRTxWnJqVPGZ2Nt7xCk7eoJWTSMWmodFlsKSgfblXVfdM 9qoNScM3u0b9iYYuw/ijZ7VtYXFuQdh0XMM/V6zFrLnnhNmg0pnK6hO1LUgZlrxHwLZk5X8F uD/0MCbPmsYUMHPuJd5dSLUFTlejVXIbKTSAMd0tDSP5Ms8Ds84z5eHreiy1ijatqRFWFJRp ZtWlhGRERnDH17PUXDglsOA08HCls0PHx8itYsjYCAyETlxlLApXWdVl9YVwbQpQ+i693t/Y PGu8jotn0++P19d3JwXW8t6TVvBIQ1dRZHx1IxGLMn+CkDJMOmHAUMWTAXX2rf5tUjas8/v2 azzYF4VRJsdl+d0MCaSy8mUh Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:48:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20191015113548.GD32665@bombadil.infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On 10/15/19 1:35 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 01:38:27PM +0900, Naohiro Aota wrote: >> A zoned block device consists of a number of zones. Zones are >> either conventional and accepting random writes or sequential and >> requiring that writes be issued in LBA order from each zone write >> pointer position. For the write restriction, zoned block devices are >> not suitable for a swap device. Disallow swapon on them. > > That's unfortunate. I wonder what it would take to make the swap code be > suitable for zoned devices. It might even perform better on conventional > drives since swapout would be a large linear write. Swapin would be a > fragmented, seeky set of reads, but this would seem like an excellent > university project. > The main problem I'm seeing is the eviction of pages from swap. While swapin is easy (as you can do random access on reads), evict pages from cache becomes extremely tricky as you can only delete entire zones. So how to we mark pages within zones as being stale? Or can we modify the swapin code to always swap in an entire zone and discard it immediately? Cheers, Hannes -- Dr. Hannes Reinecke Teamlead Storage & Networking hare@suse.de +49 911 74053 688 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg HRB 247165 (AG München), GF: Felix Imendörffer