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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@maxwell.aristanetworks.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 18/23] vfs: Teach epoll to use file_hotplug_lock
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:51:14 -0700
Message-ID: <m13aaintb1.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0906021429570.12866@makko.or.mcafeemobile.com> (Davide Libenzi's message of "Tue\, 2 Jun 2009 14\:52\:41 -0700 \(PDT\)")

Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org> writes:

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org> writes:
>> 
>> > On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@maxwell.aristanetworks.com>
>> >> 
>> >> Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@aristanetworks.com>
>> >> ---
>> >>  fs/eventpoll.c |   39 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
>> >>  1 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>> >
>> > This patchset gives me the willies for the amount of changes and possible 
>> > impact on many subsystems.
>> 
>> It both is and is not that bad.  It is the cost of adding a lock.
>
> We both know that it is not only the cost of a lock, but also the 
> sprinkling over a pretty vast amount of subsystems, of another layer of 
> code.

I am not clear what problem you have.

Is it the sprinkling the code that takes and removes the lock?  Just
the VFS needs to be involved with that.  It is a slightly larger
surface area than doing the work inside the file operations as we
sometimes call the same method from 3-4 different places but it is
definitely a bounded problem.

Is it putting in the handful lines per subsystem to actually use this
functionality?  At that level something generic that is maintained
outside of the subsystem is better than the mess we have with 4-5
different implementations in the subsystems that need it, each having
a different assortment of bugs.

>> I thought of doing something more uniform to user space.  But I observed
>> that the existing epoll punts on the case of a file descriptor being closed
>> and locking to go from a file to the other epoll datastructures is pretty
>> horrid I said forget it and used the existing close behaviour.
>
> Well, you cannot rely on the caller to tidy up the epoll fd by issuing an 
> epoll_ctl(DEL), so you do *need* to "punt" on close in order to not leave 
> lingering crap around. You cannot even hold a reference of the file, since 
> otherwise the epoll hooking will have to trigger not only at ->release() 
> time, but at every close, where you'll have to figure out if this is the 
> last real userspace reference or not. Plus all the issues related to 
> holding permanent extra references to userspace files.
> And since a file can be added in many epoll devices, you need to 
> unregister it from all of them (hence the other datastructures lookup). 
> Better this, on the slow path, with locks acquired only in the epoll usage 
> case, than some other thing and on the fast path, for every file.

Sure, and that is largely and I am preserving those semantics.

Eric

  reply index

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-11 12:01 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] File descriptor hot-unplug support Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] mm: Introduce remap_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] mm: Implement generic support for revoking a mapping Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] sysfs: Use remap_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] vfs: Generalize the file_list Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:08 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] vfs: Introduce basic infrastructure for revoking a file Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14 22:12   ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-04-15  2:55     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:10 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] vfs: Utilize fops_read_lock where appropriate Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] vfs: Optimize fops_read_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] vfs: Implement generic revoked file operations Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 18:56   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 20:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:31       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 21:53         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 21:02         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-12 23:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 12:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] proc: Use the generic vfs revoke facility that now exists Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 15:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] File descriptor hot-unplug support Al Viro
2009-04-11 16:49   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-11 16:56     ` Al Viro
2009-04-11 23:57       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-12 20:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  3:16 ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  7:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  7:45     ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14  8:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-04-14  8:49         ` Tejun Heo
2009-04-14 15:07         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-04-14 19:09           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:45 ` [PATCH 0/23] File descriptor hot-unplug support v2 Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 01/23] mm: Introduce revoke_file_mappings Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 22:25     ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-02  0:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 02/23] vfs: Implement unpoll_file Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-06  8:08     ` Al Viro
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 03/23] vfs: Generalize the file_list Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  7:06     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-05 19:33       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09 10:38         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 18:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-10  6:05             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 04/23] vfs: Introduce infrastructure for revoking a file Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  5:16     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  6:51       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02  7:08         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02  7:14     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02 17:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 20:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  6:37           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-02 22:56       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03  6:38         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-05  9:03     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-05 19:06       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 05/23] vfs: Teach lseek to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 06/23] vfs: Teach read/write to use file_hotplug_read_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 07/23] vfs: Teach sendfile,splice,tee,and vmsplice to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03 23:39     ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-05 19:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 08/23] vfs: Teach readdir " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 09/23] vfs: Teach poll and select " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 10/23] vfs: Teach do_path_lookup " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 11/23] mm: Teach mmap " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 12/23] vfs: Teach fcntl " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 13/23] vfs: Teach ioctl " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 14/23] vfs: Teach flock " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 15/23] vfs: Teach fallocate, and filp_close " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 16/23] vfs: Teach fstatfs, fstatfs64, ftruncate, fchdir, fchmod, fchown " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 17/23] proc: Teach /proc/<pid>/fd " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 18/23] vfs: Teach epoll " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 16:51     ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 21:23       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-02 21:52         ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-02 22:51           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-06-03 14:57             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-03 20:53               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-04  0:50                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-06-04  1:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 19/23] eventpoll: Fix comment Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 20/23] vfs: Teach aio to use file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 21/23] vfs: Teach fsync " Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 22/23] vfs: Teach fadvice to file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-01 21:50   ` [PATCH 23/23] vfs: Teach readahead to use the file_hotplug_lock Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-03 23:25     ` Badari Pulavarty
2009-06-06  8:03   ` [PATCH 0/23] File descriptor hot-unplug support v2 Al Viro
2009-06-08  9:41     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 10:24       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-08 16:29       ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 16:44         ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 17:50           ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-08 18:50               ` Al Viro
2009-06-08 19:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09  6:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09 10:52                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09  5:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-09  6:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-09  6:22     ` Eric W. Biederman

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