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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@kernel.org>, Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	 lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
	Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	 Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	 Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Measuring limits and enhancing buffered IO
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:29:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <oraht3mt3iu7u6q22pvb3du3xjpgei5cncbu4a22mz5scamsq5@fooyqelkfy6u> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <efb40e53-dae5-44c8-9e15-3cbf3a0cf537@paulmck-laptop>

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 04:05:37PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 06:29:43PM -0500, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > Well, we won't want it getting hammered on continuously - we should be
> > able to tune reclaim so that doesn't happen.
> > 
> > I think getting numbers on the amount of memory stranded waiting for RCU
> > is probably first order of business - minor tweak to kfree_rcu() et all
> > for that; there's APIs they can query to maintain that counter.
> 
> We can easily tell you the number of blocks of memory waiting to be freed.
> But RCU does not know their size.  Yes, we could ferret this on each
> call to kmem_free_rcu(), but that might not be great for performance.
> We could traverse the lists at runtime, but such traversal must be done
> with interrupts disabled, which is also not great.
> 
> > then, we can add a heuristic threshhold somewhere, something like 
> > 
> > if (rcu_stranded * multiplier > reclaimable_memory)
> > 	kick_rcu()
> 
> If it is a heuristic anyway, it sounds best to base the heuristic on
> the number of objects rather than their aggregate size.

I don't think that'll really work given that object size can very from <
100 bytes all the way up to 2MB hugepages. The shrinker API works that
way and I positively hate it; it's really helpful for introspection and
debugability later to give good human understandable units to this
stuff.

And __ksize() is pretty cheap, and I think there might be room in struct
slab to stick the object size there instead of getting it from the slab
cache - and folio_size() is cheaper still.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-27  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-23 23:59 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Measuring limits and enhancing buffered IO Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-24  4:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-24 17:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 18:13     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-24 18:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 18:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 19:11       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 21:42         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-02-24 22:57         ` Chris Mason
2024-02-24 23:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-10 23:57           ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-25  5:18     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25  6:04       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25 13:10       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-25 17:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-25 21:14           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-25 23:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  1:02               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  1:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  1:58                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  2:06                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26  2:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26  2:50                   ` Al Viro
2024-02-26 17:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26 21:07                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-26 21:17                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 21:19                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 21:55                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-26 23:29                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27  0:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  0:29                                   ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-02-27  0:55                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  1:08                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27  5:17                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  6:21                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 15:32                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 15:52                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 16:06                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 15:54                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-27 16:21                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27 16:34                                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 17:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-28 23:55                                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-29 19:42                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-29 20:51                                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-05  2:19                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-02-27  0:43                                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-26 22:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-26 23:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27  7:21                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 15:39                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-27 15:54                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 16:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 16:47                               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 17:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 17:20                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 18:02                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-14 11:52                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-05-14 16:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-25 21:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-25 17:32         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-24 17:55   ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-25  5:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-26 12:22 ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 10:07 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 14:08   ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-02-27 14:57     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 22:13   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 22:21     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-27 22:42       ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-28  7:48         ` [Lsf-pc] " Amir Goldstein
2024-02-28 14:01           ` Chris Mason
2024-02-29  0:25           ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-29  0:57             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-04  0:46               ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-27 22:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 23:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28  2:22         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28  3:00           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28  4:22             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 17:34               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 18:04                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 18:18         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 19:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28 19:29             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-28 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-28 23:21                 ` Kent Overstreet

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