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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 02/15] livepatch: avoid position-based search if `-z unique-symbol` is available
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:10:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220214181000.xln2qgyzgswjxwcz@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220214122433.288910-1-alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:24:33PM +0100, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
> > One idea I mentioned before, it may be worth exploring changing the "F"
> > in FGKASLR to "File" instead of "Function".  In other words, only
> > shuffle at an object-file granularity.  Then, even with duplicates, the
> > <file+function> symbol pair doesn't change in the symbol table.  And as
> > a bonus, it should help FGKASLR i-cache performance, significantly.
> 
> Yeah, I keep that in mind. However, this wouldn't solve the
> duplicate static function names problem, right?
> Let's say you have a static function f() in file1 and f() in file2,
> then the layout each boot can be
> 
> .text.file1  or  .text.file2
> f()              f()
> .text.file2      .text.file1
> f()              f()
> 
> and position-based search won't work anyway, right?

Right, so we'd have to abandon position-based search in favor of
file+func based search.

It's not perfect because there are still a few file+func duplicates.
But it might be good enough.  We would presumably just refuse to patch a
duplicate.  Or we could remove them (and enforce their continued removal
with tooling-based warnings).

Another variant of this which I described here

  https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210125172124.awabevkpvq4poqxf@treble/

would be to keep it function-granular, but have kallsyms keep track of
what file each func belongs to.  Then livepatch could still do the
file+func based search.

-- 
Josh


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-14 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-09 18:57 [PATCH v10 00/15] Function Granular KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 01/15] modpost: fix removing numeric suffixes Alexander Lobakin
2022-05-03  0:57   ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-05-03  7:31   ` Petr Mladek
2022-05-23 18:04   ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-05-24 11:33     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-05-24 13:40       ` Masahiro Yamada
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 02/15] livepatch: avoid position-based search if `-z unique-symbol` is available Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-11 17:41   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-11 18:05     ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2022-02-11 18:35       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-14 12:24         ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-14 18:10           ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2022-02-16 20:32             ` Joe Lawrence
2022-02-16 22:13               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-16 15:15         ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-16 20:01           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-18 16:31           ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-18 20:08             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-14 12:14     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-14 18:57       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-16 15:06     ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-16 19:57       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-17  7:45         ` Miroslav Benes
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 03/15] kallsyms: randomize /proc/kallsyms output order Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 04/15] arch: introduce asm function sections Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 05/15] x86: support " Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-11 15:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-14 11:49     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 06/15] x86: decouple ORC table sorting into a separate file Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 07/15] Makefile: add config options and build scripts for FG-KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 08/15] x86/tools: Add relative relocs for randomized functions Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 09/15] x86: Add support for function granular KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 10/15] FG-KASLR: use a scripted approach to handle .text.* sections Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-11 15:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-14 11:34     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-14 11:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-02-14 12:30         ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 11/15] x86/boot: allow FG-KASLR to be selected Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 12/15] module: add arch-indep FG-KASLR for randomizing function layout Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 13/15] module: use a scripted approach for FG-KASLR Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 14/15] Documentation: add documentation " Alexander Lobakin
2022-02-09 18:57 ` [PATCH v10 15/15] maintainers: add MAINTAINERS entry " Alexander Lobakin

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