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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Scott Cheloha <cheloha@linux.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/5] mm/page_alloc: always move pages to the tail of the freelist in unset_migratetype_isolate()
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 08:56:48 +0200
Message-ID: <20201005065648.GO4555@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <df0c45bf-223f-1f0b-ce3d-f2b2e05626bd@redhat.com>

On Fri 02-10-20 17:20:09, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 02.10.20 15:24, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Mon 28-09-20 20:21:08, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> Page isolation doesn't actually touch the pages, it simply isolates
> >> pageblocks and moves all free pages to the MIGRATE_ISOLATE freelist.
> >>
> >> We already place pages to the tail of the freelists when undoing
> >> isolation via __putback_isolated_page(), let's do it in any case
> >> (e.g., if order <= pageblock_order) and document the behavior.
> >>
> >> Add a "to_tail" parameter to move_freepages_block() but introduce a
> >> a new move_to_free_list_tail() - similar to add_to_free_list_tail().
> >>
> >> This change results in all pages getting onlined via online_pages() to
> >> be placed to the tail of the freelist.
> > 
> > Is there anything preventing to do this unconditionally? Or in other
> > words is any of the existing callers of move_freepages_block benefiting
> > from adding to the head?
> 
> 1. mm/page_isolation.c:set_migratetype_isolate()
> 
> We move stuff to the MIGRATE_ISOLATE list, we don't care about the order
> there.
> 
> 2. steal_suitable_fallback():
> 
> I don't think we care too much about the order when already stealing
> pageblocks ... and the freelist is empty I guess?
> 
> 3. reserve_highatomic_pageblock()/unreserve_highatomic_pageblock()
> 
> Not sure if we really care.

Honestly, I have no idea. I can imagine that some atomic high order
workloads (e.g. in net) might benefit from cache line hot pages but I am
not sure this is really observable. If yes it would likely be better to
have this documented than relying on wild guess. If we do not have any
evidence then I would vote for simplicity first and go with
unconditional add_to_tail which would simply your patch a bit.

Maybe Vlastimil or Mel would have a better picture.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-28 18:21 [PATCH v1 0/5] mm: place pages to the freelist tail when onling and undoing isolation David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 18:21 ` [PATCH v1 1/5] mm/page_alloc: convert "report" flag of __free_one_page() to a proper flag David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 20:11   ` Pankaj Gupta
2020-09-29  8:58   ` Wei Yang
2020-10-02 13:17   ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-02 13:41   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-02 14:48     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-02 14:57       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 18:21 ` [PATCH v1 2/5] mm/page_alloc: place pages to tail in __putback_isolated_page() David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 20:38   ` Pankaj Gupta
2020-09-29  9:10   ` Wei Yang
2020-10-02 13:19   ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-28 18:21 ` [PATCH v1 3/5] mm/page_alloc: always move pages to the tail of the freelist in unset_migratetype_isolate() David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 20:55   ` Pankaj Gupta
2020-09-29  9:18   ` Wei Yang
2020-09-29 10:12     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-30  7:48       ` Wei Yang
2020-10-02 13:24   ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-02 15:20     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-05  6:56       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-10-05  8:20         ` Mel Gorman
2020-10-05  9:11           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 18:21 ` [PATCH v1 4/5] mm/page_alloc: place pages to tail in __free_pages_core() David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 20:33   ` Pankaj Gupta
2020-09-29  9:36   ` Wei Yang
2020-09-29 10:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-02 13:41   ` Michal Hocko
2020-10-02 15:10     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-28 18:21 ` [PATCH v1 5/5] mm/memory_hotplug: update comment regarding zone shuffling David Hildenbrand
2020-09-29  9:40   ` Wei Yang
2020-10-02 13:41   ` Michal Hocko

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