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Srinivasan" , Mel Gorman , Michael Ellerman , Michal Hocko , Mike Rapoport , Scott Cheloha , Stephen Hemminger , Wei Liu , Wei Yang References: <5c0910c2cd0d9d351e509392a45552fb@suse.de> <67928cbd-950a-3279-bf9b-29b04c87728b@suse.cz> <3af66d9b-70b1-6c19-0073-fa33c57edcdd@suse.cz> From: David Hildenbrand Autocrypt: addr=david@redhat.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABtCREYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCA8ZGF2aWRAcmVkaGF0LmNvbT6JAlgEEwEIAEICGwMGCwkIBwMCBhUIAgkKCwQW AgMBAh4BAheAAhkBFiEEG9nKrXNcTDpGDfzKTd4Q9wD/g1oFAl8Ox4kFCRKpKXgACgkQTd4Q 9wD/g1oHcA//a6Tj7SBNjFNM1iNhWUo1lxAja0lpSodSnB2g4FCZ4R61SBR4l/psBL73xktp rDHrx4aSpwkRP6Epu6mLvhlfjmkRG4OynJ5HG1gfv7RJJfnUdUM1z5kdS8JBrOhMJS2c/gPf wv1TGRq2XdMPnfY2o0CxRqpcLkx4vBODvJGl2mQyJF/gPepdDfcT8/PY9BJ7FL6Hrq1gnAo4 3Iv9qV0JiT2wmZciNyYQhmA1V6dyTRiQ4YAc31zOo2IM+xisPzeSHgw3ONY/XhYvfZ9r7W1l pNQdc2G+o4Di9NPFHQQhDw3YTRR1opJaTlRDzxYxzU6ZnUUBghxt9cwUWTpfCktkMZiPSDGd KgQBjnweV2jw9UOTxjb4LXqDjmSNkjDdQUOU69jGMUXgihvo4zhYcMX8F5gWdRtMR7DzW/YE BgVcyxNkMIXoY1aYj6npHYiNQesQlqjU6azjbH70/SXKM5tNRplgW8TNprMDuntdvV9wNkFs 9TyM02V5aWxFfI42+aivc4KEw69SE9KXwC7FSf5wXzuTot97N9Phj/Z3+jx443jo2NR34XgF 89cct7wJMjOF7bBefo0fPPZQuIma0Zym71cP61OP/i11ahNye6HGKfxGCOcs5wW9kRQEk8P9 M/k2wt3mt/fCQnuP/mWutNPt95w9wSsUyATLmtNrwccz63W5Ag0EVcufkQEQAOfX3n0g0fZz Bgm/S2zF/kxQKCEKP8ID+Vz8sy2GpDvveBq4H2Y34XWsT1zLJdvqPI4af4ZSMxuerWjXbVWb T6d4odQIG0fKx4F8NccDqbgHeZRNajXeeJ3R7gAzvWvQNLz4piHrO/B4tf8svmRBL0ZB5P5A 2uhdwLU3NZuK22zpNn4is87BPWF8HhY0L5fafgDMOqnf4guJVJPYNPhUFzXUbPqOKOkL8ojk CXxkOFHAbjstSK5Ca3fKquY3rdX3DNo+EL7FvAiw1mUtS+5GeYE+RMnDCsVFm/C7kY8c2d0G NWkB9pJM5+mnIoFNxy7YBcldYATVeOHoY4LyaUWNnAvFYWp08dHWfZo9WCiJMuTfgtH9tc75 7QanMVdPt6fDK8UUXIBLQ2TWr/sQKE9xtFuEmoQGlE1l6bGaDnnMLcYu+Asp3kDT0w4zYGsx 5r6XQVRH4+5N6eHZiaeYtFOujp5n+pjBaQK7wUUjDilPQ5QMzIuCL4YjVoylWiBNknvQWBXS lQCWmavOT9sttGQXdPCC5ynI+1ymZC1ORZKANLnRAb0NH/UCzcsstw2TAkFnMEbo9Zu9w7Kv AxBQXWeXhJI9XQssfrf4Gusdqx8nPEpfOqCtbbwJMATbHyqLt7/oz/5deGuwxgb65pWIzufa N7eop7uh+6bezi+rugUI+w6DABEBAAGJAjwEGAEIACYCGwwWIQQb2cqtc1xMOkYN/MpN3hD3 AP+DWgUCXw7HsgUJEqkpoQAKCRBN3hD3AP+DWrrpD/4qS3dyVRxDcDHIlmguXjC1Q5tZTwNB boaBTPHSy/Nksu0eY7x6HfQJ3xajVH32Ms6t1trDQmPx2iP5+7iDsb7OKAb5eOS8h+BEBDeq 3ecsQDv0fFJOA9ag5O3LLNk+3x3q7e0uo06XMaY7UHS341ozXUUI7wC7iKfoUTv03iO9El5f XpNMx/YrIMduZ2+nd9Di7o5+KIwlb2mAB9sTNHdMrXesX8eBL6T9b+MZJk+mZuPxKNVfEQMQ a5SxUEADIPQTPNvBewdeI80yeOCrN+Zzwy/Mrx9EPeu59Y5vSJOx/z6OUImD/GhX7Xvkt3kq Er5KTrJz3++B6SH9pum9PuoE/k+nntJkNMmQpR4MCBaV/J9gIOPGodDKnjdng+mXliF3Ptu6 3oxc2RCyGzTlxyMwuc2U5Q7KtUNTdDe8T0uE+9b8BLMVQDDfJjqY0VVqSUwImzTDLX9S4g/8 kC4HRcclk8hpyhY2jKGluZO0awwTIMgVEzmTyBphDg/Gx7dZU1Xf8HFuE+UZ5UDHDTnwgv7E th6RC9+WrhDNspZ9fJjKWRbveQgUFCpe1sa77LAw+XFrKmBHXp9ZVIe90RMe2tRL06BGiRZr jPrnvUsUUsjRoRNJjKKA/REq+sAnhkNPPZ/NNMjaZ5b8Tovi8C0tmxiCHaQYqj7G2rgnT0kt WNyWQQ== Organization: Red Hat GmbH Message-ID: <5e5e92dc-3cb4-6e97-5d35-258c4cf35391@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:29:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3af66d9b-70b1-6c19-0073-fa33c57edcdd@suse.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org >> If that would ever change, the optimization here would be lost and we >> would have to think of something else. Nothing would actually break - >> and it's all kept directly in page_alloc.c > > Sure, but then it can become a pointless code churn. Indeed, and if there are valid concerns that this will happen in the near future (e.g., < 1 year), I agree that we should look into alternatives right from the start. Otherwise it's good enough until some of the other things I mentioned below become real (which could also take a while ...). > >> I'd like to stress that what I propose here is both simple and powerful. >> >>> possible I think, such as preparing a larger MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE area in the >>> existing memory before we allocate those long-term management structures. Or >>> onlining a bunch of blocks as zone_movable first and only later convert to >>> zone_normal in a controlled way when existing normal zone becomes depeted? >> >> I see the following (more or less complicated) alternatives >> >> 1) Having a larger MIGRATE_UNMOVABLE area >> >> a) Sizing it is difficult. I mean you would have to plan ahead for all >> memory you might eventually hotplug later - and that could even be > > Yeah, hence my worry about existing interfaces that work on 128MB blocks > individually without a larger strategy. Yes, in the works :) > >> impossible if you hotplug quite a lot of memory to a smaller machine. >> (I've seen people in the vm/container world trying to hotplug 128GB >> DIMMs to 2GB VMs ... and failing for obvious reasons) > > Some planning should still be possible to maximize the contiguous area without > unmovable allocations. Indeed, optimizing that is very high on my list of things to look into ... >> >> we would, once again, never be able to allocate a gigantic page because >> all [N] would contain a memmap. > > The second approach should work, if you know how much you are going to online, > and plan the size the N group accordingly, and if the onlined amount is several > gigabytes, then only the first one (or first X) will be unusable for a gigantic > page, but the rest would be? Can't get much better than that. Indeed, it's the optimal case (assuming one can come up with a safe zone balance - which is usually possible, but unfortunately, there are exceptions one at least has to identify). [...] > > I've reviewed the series and I won't block it - yes it's an optimistic approach > that can break and leave us with code churn. But at least it's not that much Thanks. I'll try to document somewhere that the behavior of FOP_TO_TAIL is a pure optimization and might change in the future - along with the case it tried to optimize (so people know what the use case was). > code and the extra test in __free_one_page() shouldn't make this hotpath too I assume the compiler is able to completely propagate constants and optimize that out - I haven't checked, though. > worse. But I still hope we can achieve a more robust solution one day. I definitely agree. I'd also prefer some kind of guarantees, but I learned that things always sound easier than they actually are when it comes to memory management in Linux ... and they take a lot of time (for example, Michal's/Oscar's attempts to implement vmemmap on hotadded memory). -- Thanks, David / dhildenb