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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BY5PR21MB1506.namprd21.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9b3bad56-c37f-42b2-b5a5-08d98ceec2f2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Oct 2021 19:38:54.9053 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: uTh5aS8I4U6IFMgUmITO6SQsg7G3eiSmqHEb6cXIPU5LWwuPuCS8cDNZ1XdJNqK3dcdFiQSrOWNYR7F4ElxGIg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR21MB1366 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Re: [Patch v5 0/3] Introduce a driver to support host accelerate= d access > to Microsoft Azure Blob for Azure VM >=20 > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 05:46:48PM +0000, Long Li wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [Patch v5 0/3] Introduce a driver to support host > > > accelerated access to Microsoft Azure Blob for Azure VM > > > > > > Greg Kroah-Hartman writes: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Not to mention the whole crazy idea of "let's implement our REST > > > > api that used to go over a network connection over an ioctl instead= !" > > > > That's the main problem that you need to push back on here. > > > > > > > > What is forcing you to put all of this into the kernel in the > > > > first place? What's wrong with the userspace network > > > > connection/protocol that you have today? > > > > > > > > Does this mean that we now have to implement all REST apis that > > > > people dream up as ioctl interfaces over a hyperv transport? That > > > > would be insane. > > > > > > As far as I understand, the purpose of the driver is to replace a "sl= ow" > > > network connection to API endpoint with a "fast" transport over > > > Vmbus. So what if instead of implementing this new driver we just > > > use Hyper-V Vsock and move API endpoint to the host? > > > > Hi Vitaly, > > > > We looked at Hyper-V Vsock when designing this driver. The problem is t= hat > the Hyper-V device model of Vsock can't support the data throughput and s= cale > needed for Blobs. Vsock is mostly used for management tasks. > > > > The usage of Blob in Azure justifies an dedicated VMBUS channel (and su= b- > channels) for a new VSP/VSC driver. >=20 > Why not just fix the vsock code to handle data better? That way all user= s of it > would benefit. Hi Greg, The Vsock is connection based. On both Guest and Host, the model is around= a connection over a socket. Internally, the Hyper-V creates a device for e= ach connection. But it doesn't scale to large number of CPUs over a socket = connection. Hyper-V vsock is designed to perform configuration management f= or a VM running on Hyper-V. The Azure Blob service is not connection based. It doesn't fit into the dev= ice model presented by Vsock from Hyper-V. Thanks, Long >=20 > thanks, >=20 > greg k-h