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From: Henning Schild <henning.schild@siemens.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>,
	Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>, Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Tan Jui Nee <jui.nee.tan@intel.com>,
	Jim Quinlan <james.quinlan@broadcom.com>,
	Jonathan Yong <jonathan.yong@intel.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.com>,
	Peter Tyser <ptyser@xes-inc.com>,
	hdegoede@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/7] PCI: New Primary to Sideband (P2SB) bridge support library
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 09:42:52 +0100
Message-ID: <20210309094252.396b7f2d@md1za8fc.ad001.siemens.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210309014221.GA1831206@bjorn-Precision-5520>

Am Mon, 8 Mar 2021 19:42:21 -0600
schrieb Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>:

> On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 09:16:50PM +0200, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 12:52:12PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:  
> > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2021 at 02:20:16PM +0200, Andy Shevchenko wrote:  
> > > > From: Jonathan Yong <jonathan.yong@intel.com>
> > > > 
> > > > There is already one and at least one more user is coming which
> > > > requires an access to Primary to Sideband bridge (P2SB) in
> > > > order to get IO or MMIO bar hidden by BIOS. Create a library to
> > > > access P2SB for x86 devices.  
> > > 
> > > Can you include a spec reference?  
> > 
> > I'm not sure I have a public link to the spec. It's the 100 Series
> > PCH [1]. The document number to look for is 546955 [2] and there
> > actually a bit of information about this.  
> 
> This link, found by googling for "p2sb bridge", looks like it might
> have relevant public links:
> 
> https://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2017-11-08/accessing-intel-ich-pch-gpios/
> 
> I'd prefer if you could dig out the relevant sections because I really
> don't know how to identify them.
> 
> > > I'm trying to figure out why this
> > > belongs in drivers/pci/.  It looks very device-specific.  
> > 
> > Because it's all about access to PCI configuration spaces of the
> > (hidden) devices.  
> 
> The PCI core generally doesn't deal with device-specific config
> registers.
> 
> > [1]:
> > https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/98456/intel-100-series-desktop-chipsets.html
> > [2]:
> > https://medium.com/@jacksonchen_43335/bios-gpio-p2sb-70e9b829b403
> > 
> > ...
> >   
> > > > +config PCI_P2SB
> > > > +	bool "Primary to Sideband (P2SB) bridge access support"
> > > > +	depends on PCI && X86
> > > > +	help
> > > > +	  The Primary to Sideband bridge is an interface to
> > > > some PCI
> > > > +	  devices connected through it. In particular, SPI NOR
> > > > +	  controller in Intel Apollo Lake SoC is one of such
> > > > devices.  
> > > 
> > > This doesn't sound like a "bridge".  If it's a bridge, what's on
> > > the primary (upstream) side?  What's on the secondary side?  What
> > > resources are passed through the bridge, i.e., what transactions
> > > does it transfer from one side to the other?  
> > 
> > It's a confusion terminology here. It's a Bridge according to the
> > spec, but it is *not* a PCI Bridge as you may had a first
> > impression.  
> 
> The code suggests that a register on this device controls whether a
> different device is visible in config space.  I think it will be
> better if we can describe what's happening.
> 
> > ...
> >   
> > > > +	/* Unhide the P2SB device */
> > > > +	pci_bus_write_config_byte(bus, df, P2SBC_HIDE_BYTE, 0);
> > > > +
> > > > +	/* Read the first BAR of the device in question */
> > > > +	__pci_bus_read_base(bus, devfn, pci_bar_unknown, mem,
> > > > PCI_BASE_ADDRESS_0, true);  
> > > 
> > > I don't get this.  Apparently this normally hidden device is
> > > consuming PCI address space.  The PCI core needs to know about
> > > this.  If it doesn't, the PCI core may assign this space to
> > > another device.  
> > 
> > Right, it returns all 1:s to any request so PCI core *thinks* it's
> > plugged off (like D3cold or so).  
> 
> I'm asking about the MMIO address space.  The BAR is a register in
> config space.  AFAICT, clearing P2SBC_HIDE_BYTE makes that BAR
> visible.  The BAR describes a region of PCI address space.  It looks
> like setting P2SBC_HIDE_BIT makes the BAR disappear from config space,
> but it sounds like the PCI address space *described* by the BAR is
> still claimed by the device.  If the device didn't respond to that
> MMIO space, you would have no reason to read the BAR at all.
> 
> So what keeps the PCI core from assigning that MMIO space to another
> device?

The device will respond to MMIO while being hidden. I am afraid nothing
stops a collision, except for the assumption that the BIOS is always
right and PCI devices never get remapped. But just guessing here.

I have seen devices with coreboot having the P2SB visible, and most
likely relocatable. Making it visible in Linux and not hiding it again
might work, but probably only as long as Linux will not relocate it.
Which i am afraid might seriously upset the BIOS, depending on what a
device does with those GPIOs and which parts are implemented in the
BIOS.

regards,
Henning

> This all sounds quite irregular from the point of view of the PCI
> core.  If a device responds to address space that is not described by
> a standard PCI BAR, or by an EA capability, or by one of the legacy
> VGA or IDE exceptions, we have a problem.  That space must be
> described *somehow* in a generic way, e.g., ACPI or similar.
> 
> What happens if CONFIG_PCI_P2SB is unset?  The device doesn't know
> that, and if it is still consuming MMIO address space that we don't
> know about, that's a problem.
> 
> > > > +	/* Hide the P2SB device */
> > > > +	pci_bus_write_config_byte(bus, df, P2SBC_HIDE_BYTE,
> > > > P2SBC_HIDE_BIT);  
> > 
> > -- 
> > With Best Regards,
> > Andy Shevchenko
> > 
> >   


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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-08 12:20 [rfc, PATCH v1 0/7] PCI: introduce p2sb helper Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] PCI: Introduce pci_bus_*() printing macros when device is not available Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 14:57   ` Jean Delvare
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] PCI: Convert __pci_read_base() to __pci_bus_read_base() Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 17:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] PCI: New Primary to Sideband (P2SB) bridge support library Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-08 18:52   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-03-08 19:16     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-09  1:42       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-03-09  8:42         ` Henning Schild [this message]
2021-04-01 15:45           ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-01 16:42             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-04-01 18:23               ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-01 18:44                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-04-02 13:09           ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-04-06 13:40             ` Henning Schild
2021-03-13  9:45   ` Henning Schild
2021-04-01 15:43     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-01 18:06       ` Mika Westerberg
2021-04-01 18:22         ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-01 18:32           ` Mika Westerberg
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] mfd: lpc_ich: Factor out lpc_ich_enable_spi_write() Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 10:29   ` Lee Jones
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mfd: lpc_ich: Switch to generic pci_p2sb_bar() Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 10:35   ` Lee Jones
2021-03-10 12:05     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 12:57       ` Lee Jones
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mfd: lpc_ich: Add support for pinctrl in non-ACPI system Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 10:27   ` Lee Jones
2021-04-12 16:01   ` Henning Schild
2021-04-12 16:40     ` Henning Schild
2021-04-12 16:59       ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-12 17:16         ` Henning Schild
2021-04-12 17:34           ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-13  6:47             ` Henning Schild
2021-04-12 16:51     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-04-12 17:27       ` Henning Schild
2021-04-12 17:41         ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-08 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] i2c: i801: convert to use common P2SB accessor Andy Shevchenko
2021-03-10 14:51   ` Jean Delvare
2021-03-13  9:25 ` [rfc, PATCH v1 0/7] PCI: introduce p2sb helper Henning Schild
2021-06-10  9:02 ` Henning Schild
2021-06-10 10:14   ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-06-10 13:48     ` Henning Schild
2021-06-10 14:04       ` Andy Shevchenko

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