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From: Tony Asleson <tasleson@redhat.com>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, b.zolnierkie@samsung.com,
	axboe@kernel.dk
Subject: Re: [v4 00/11] Add persistent durable identifier to storage log messages
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:42:31 -0500
Message-ID: <a67a11dc-1a5a-648a-7ef1-cf36d3a56518@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd1fb6dc-9fc1-0ee2-13a4-d221f28442c6@suse.de>

On 7/27/20 11:46 AM, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> On 7/27/20 5:45 PM, Tony Asleson wrote:
>> On 7/26/20 10:10 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> FYI, I think these identifiers are absolutely horrible and have no
>>> business in dmesg:
>>
>> The identifiers are structured data, they're not visible unless you go
>> looking for them.
>>
>> I'm open to other suggestions on how we can positively identify storage
>> devices over time, across reboots, replacement, and dynamic
>> reconfiguration.
>>
>> My home system has 4 disks, 2 are identical except for serial number.
>> Even with this simple configuration, it's not trivial to identify which
>> message goes with which disk across reboots.
>>
> Well; the more important bits would be to identify the physical location
> where these disks reside.
> If one goes bad it doesn't really help you if have a persistent
> identification in the OS; what you really need is a physical indicator
> or a physical location allowing you to identify which disk to pull.

In my use case I have no slot information.  I have no SCSI enclosure
services to toggle identification LEDs or fault LEDs for the drive sled.
 For some users the device might be a virtual one in a storage server,
vpd helps.

In my case the in kernel vpd (WWN) data can be used to correlate with
the sticker on the disk as the disks have the WWN printed on them.  I
would think this is true for most disks/storage devices, but obviously I
can't make that statement with 100% certainty as I have a small sample size.

> Which isn't addressed at all with this patchset (nor should it; the
> physical location it typically found via other means).
> 
> And for the other use-cases: We do have persistent device links, do we
> not?

How does /dev/disk/by-* help when you are looking at the journal from 1
or more reboots ago and the only thing you have in your journal is
something like:

blk_update_request: critical medium error, dev sde, sector 43578 op
0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 1 prio class 0

The links are only valid for right now.

-Tony


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Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-24 17:16 Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:16 ` [v4 01/11] struct device: Add function callback durable_name Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:16 ` [v4 02/11] create_syslog_header: Add durable name Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:16 ` [v4 03/11] dev_vprintk_emit: Increase hdr size Tony Asleson
2020-07-25 10:05   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 17:16 ` [v4 04/11] scsi: Add durable_name for dev_printk Tony Asleson
2020-07-25 10:20   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 05/11] nvme: Add durable name " Tony Asleson
2020-07-25  9:05   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2020-07-25 10:23   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 06/11] libata: Add ata_scsi_durable_name Tony Asleson
2020-07-25  0:48   ` kernel test robot
2020-07-25  1:07   ` kernel test robot
2020-07-25  1:07   ` [RFC PATCH] libata: ata_scsi_durable_name() can be static kernel test robot
2020-07-25  1:18   ` [v4 06/11] libata: Add ata_scsi_durable_name kernel test robot
2020-07-25 10:26   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 07/11] Add durable_name_printk Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 08/11] libata: use durable_name_printk Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 09/11] Add durable_name_printk_ratelimited Tony Asleson
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 10/11] print_req_error: Use durable_name_printk_ratelimited Tony Asleson
2020-07-25  9:15   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2020-07-24 17:17 ` [v4 11/11] buffer_io_error: " Tony Asleson
2020-07-25 10:29   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-07-26 15:10 ` [v4 00/11] Add persistent durable identifier to storage log messages Christoph Hellwig
2020-07-27 15:45   ` Tony Asleson
2020-07-27 16:46     ` Hannes Reinecke
2020-07-27 17:42       ` Tony Asleson [this message]
2020-07-27 19:17         ` Douglas Gilbert
2020-07-27 20:27           ` Tony Asleson

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