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From: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar <boulabiar@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stéphane Chatty" <chatty@enac.fr>,
	"Jiri Kosina" <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	"Rafi Rubin" <rafi@seas.upenn.edu>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hid-ntrig.c Multitouch cleanup and fix
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:08:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B96D503.50707@euromail.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45cc95261003091442t70d08311u13642aac7bc4f3f3@mail.gmail.com>

Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar wrote:

> The hierarchy applied on multitouch isn't the best example to prove
> benefits of it.
> Hierarchy is useful with some complex input devices that have many
> axes, many buttons some accelerometers, but that are hierarchical from
> the source (integrality/separability ?).
> Then providing them as hierarchy can be useful.

I believe I see your's and Stephane's point. But while you argue about how to
get the devices to userspace in a clean fashion, I argue about how to process
arbitrary collection of devices in a clean fashion, once they get there.

> The solution maybe to have other handlers to show virtual hierarchical
> devices in another virtual devices folder in addition to the old way.
> The handler read from the usual device file and provide other sources.
> 
> Kernel modules will be then simple providing necessary input. And
> complex handling will be in an additional layer.
> User then will chose from where read the input : the old way or the
> dynamic with handler special ways.

I still have a feeling that the most workable, generic structure to impose on
input devices in general, is the empty set.

> It should not also be in X.
> If things aren't in the kernel, they shouldn't so be in X by obligation.

I completely agree -- the recent movement around xorg input, hal and udev
clearly shows how badly input needs its own layer.

Henrik


  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-09 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-12  0:19 [PATCH 1/4] HID: hid-ntrig add multi input quirk and clean up Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  0:19 ` [PATCH 2/4] hid-ntrig.c: removed unnecessary tool switching Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  0:19   ` [PATCH 3/4] hid-ntrig.c Split multi and single touch Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  0:19     ` [PATCH 4/4] hid-ntrig: Contact tracking Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  0:42     ` [PATCH 3/4] hid-ntrig.c Split multi and single touch Dmitry Torokhov
2010-02-12  3:10       ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  8:09         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-02-12 19:56           ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12 10:41       ` Jiri Kosina
2010-02-12  0:36 ` [PATCH 1/4] HID: hid-ntrig add multi input quirk and clean up Dmitry Torokhov
2010-02-12  0:45   ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  1:03   ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  1:20     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-02-12  0:37 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  3:14 ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  3:14   ` [PATCH 2/4] hid-ntrig.c: removed unnecessary tool switching Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  3:14     ` [PATCH 3/4] hid-ntrig.c Split multi and single touch Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  3:14       ` [PATCH 4/4] hid-ntrig: Contact tracking Rafi Rubin
2010-02-20  8:29         ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
     [not found]         ` <45cc95261002200025m378e1a80rec09bde5673a6060@mail.gmail.com>
2010-02-20 17:48           ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-12  8:13       ` [PATCH 3/4] hid-ntrig.c Split multi and single touch Dmitry Torokhov
2010-02-12 23:16         ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-13  2:13           ` [PATCH] hid-ntrig.c Multitouch cleanup and fix Rafi Rubin
2010-02-13  2:24             ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-16 12:50               ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-09 21:01                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 21:17                   ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-09 21:19                     ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-09 22:03                       ` Stéphane Chatty
2010-03-09 22:25                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 22:42                           ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
2010-03-09 23:08                             ` Henrik Rydberg [this message]
2010-03-09 23:17                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-09 23:26                                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-11  4:30                             ` Peter Hutterer
2010-03-11  5:36                               ` Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar
2010-03-11  6:25                                 ` Peter Hutterer
2010-03-11  9:42                               ` Stéphane Chatty
2010-03-09 22:27                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-09 22:32                           ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-09 22:54                           ` Stéphane Chatty
2010-03-09 22:12                       ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-09 22:39                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 21:59                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 22:11                       ` Stéphane Chatty
2010-03-09 22:29                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 22:44                           ` Stéphane Chatty
2010-03-09 22:27                       ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-09 23:23                         ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-03-09 23:38                           ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-09 23:42                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-10  0:32                               ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-10  3:47                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-10  4:40                                   ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-10  8:38                                     ` [PATCH] hid: ntrig touch events rafi
2010-03-10 15:04                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-18 20:19                                         ` Rafi Rubin
2010-03-19  8:44                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2010-03-19 14:12                                             ` Rafi Rubin
2010-02-16 12:49     ` [PATCH 2/4] hid-ntrig.c: removed unnecessary tool switching Jiri Kosina
2010-02-12  3:15   ` [PATCH 1/4] HID: hid-ntrig add multi input quirk and clean up Rafi Rubin
2010-02-16 12:49   ` Jiri Kosina

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