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From: "Jacob Pan (Jun)" <>
To: Jean-Philippe Brucker <>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/13] virtio-iommu on non-devicetree platforms
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:01:36 -0800
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In-Reply-To: <20191125180247.GD945122@lophozonia>

Hi Jean,

Sorry for the delay, I was out last week. Comments inline below.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:02:47 +0100
Jean-Philippe Brucker <> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 04:01:02PM -0800, Jacob Pan (Jun) wrote:
> > > (1) ACPI has one table per vendor (DMAR for Intel, IVRS for AMD
> > > and IORT for Arm). From my point of view IORT is easier to
> > > extend, since we just need to introduce a new node type. There
> > > are no dependencies to Arm in the Linux IORT driver, so it works
> > > well with CONFIG_X86. 
> > From my limited understanding, IORT and VIOT is to solve device
> > topology enumeration only? I am not sure how it can be expanded to
> > cover information beyond device topology. e.g. DMAR has NUMA
> > information and root port ATS, I guess they are not used today in
> > the guest but might be additions in the future.  
> The PCI root-complex node of IORT has an ATS attribute, which we can
> already use. However its scope is the root complex, not individual
> root ports like with DMAR.
> I'm not very familiar with NUMA, but it looks like we just need to
> specify a proximity domain in relation to the SRAT table, for each
> viommu? The SMMUv3 node in IORT has a 4-bytes "proximity domain"
> field for this. We can add the same to the VIOT virtio-iommu nodes
> later, since the structures are extensible.
I think there the proximity domain is more for each assigned device
than vIOMMU. vIOMMU in the guest can have assigned devices belong to
different pIOMMU and proximity domains. If the guest owns the first
level page tables (gIOVA or SVA), we want to make sure page tables are
allocated from the close proximity domain.

My understanding is virtio IOMMU supports both virtio devices and
assigned devices. we could care less about the former in terms of NUMA.

In ACPI, we have _PXM method to retrieve device proximity domain. I
don't know if there is something equivalent or a generic way to get
_PXM information. I think VMM also need to make sure when an assigned
device is used with vIOMMU, there are some memory is allocated from the
device's proximity domain.

> But it might be better to keep the bare minimum information in the FW
> descriptor, and put the rest in the virtio-iommu. So yes topology
> enumeration is something the device cannot do itself (not fully that
> is, see (2)) but for the rest, virtio-iommu's PROBE request can
> provide details about each endpoint in relation to their physical
> We could for example add a bit in a PROBE property saying that the
> whole path between the IOMMU and the endpoint supports ATS. For NUMA
> it might also be more interesting to have a finer granularity, since
> one viommu could be managing endpoints that are behind different
> physical IOMMUs. If in the future we want to allocate page tables
> close to the physical IOMMU for example, we might need to describe
> multiple NUMA nodes per viommu, using the PROBE request.
Should we reinvent something for NUMA or use ACPI's SRAT, _PXM? I am
not sure how it is handled today in QEMU in terms of guest-host NUMA
proximity domain mapping.

> Thanks,
> Jean

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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-22 10:49 Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 01/13] ACPI/IORT: Move IORT to the ACPI folder Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 02/13] ACPI: Add VIOT definitions Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 03/13] ACPI/IORT: Allow registration of external tables Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 04/13] ACPI/IORT: Add node categories Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 05/13] ACPI/IORT: Support VIOT virtio-mmio node Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 06/13] ACPI/IORT: Support VIOT virtio-pci node Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 07/13] ACPI/IORT: Defer probe until virtio-iommu-pci has registered a fwnode Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 08/13] ACPI/IORT: Add callback to update a device's fwnode Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 09/13] iommu/virtio: Create fwnode if necessary Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 10/13] iommu/virtio: Update IORT fwnode Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC 11/13] ACPI: Add VIOT table Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:49 ` [RFC virtio 12/13] virtio-iommu: Add built-in topology description Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 10:50 ` [RFC 13/13] iommu/virtio: Add topology description to Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 12:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-25 17:48     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-22 13:00 ` [RFC 00/13] virtio-iommu on non-devicetree platforms Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-25 17:53   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-11-23  0:01 ` Jacob Pan (Jun)
2019-11-25 18:02   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2019-12-04  3:01     ` Jacob Pan (Jun) [this message]

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