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From: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/28] dma-mapping: replace DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT with dma_{alloc, free}_pages
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:03:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAFQd5Bbp-eAVKS1MKS8xtrT4ZoOmBPfZyw9mys=eOmDb6r8Lw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200819065555.1802761-20-hch@lst.de>

Hi Christoph,

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 8:57 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> wrote:
>
> Add a new API to allocate and free pages that are guaranteed to be
> addressable by a device, but otherwise behave like pages allocated by
> alloc_pages.  The intended APIs to sync them for use with the device
> and cpu are dma_sync_single_for_{device,cpu} that are also used for
> streaming mappings.
>
> Switch all drivers over to this new API, but keep the usage of the
> crufty dma_cache_sync API for now, which will be cleaned up on a driver
> by driver basis.
>
> Signed-off-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
> ---
>  Documentation/core-api/dma-api.rst        | 68 +++++++++++------------
>  Documentation/core-api/dma-attributes.rst |  8 ---
>  arch/alpha/kernel/pci_iommu.c             |  2 +
>  arch/arm/mm/dma-mapping-nommu.c           |  2 +
>  arch/arm/mm/dma-mapping.c                 |  4 ++
>  arch/ia64/hp/common/sba_iommu.c           |  2 +
>  arch/mips/jazz/jazzdma.c                  |  7 +--
>  arch/powerpc/kernel/dma-iommu.c           |  2 +
>  arch/powerpc/platforms/ps3/system-bus.c   |  4 ++
>  arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/vio.c      |  2 +
>  arch/s390/pci/pci_dma.c                   |  2 +
>  arch/x86/kernel/amd_gart_64.c             |  2 +
>  drivers/iommu/dma-iommu.c                 |  2 +
>  drivers/iommu/intel/iommu.c               |  4 ++
>  drivers/net/ethernet/i825xx/lasi_82596.c  | 13 ++---
>  drivers/net/ethernet/seeq/sgiseeq.c       | 12 ++--
>  drivers/parisc/ccio-dma.c                 |  2 +
>  drivers/parisc/sba_iommu.c                |  2 +
>  drivers/scsi/53c700.c                     |  8 +--
>  drivers/scsi/sgiwd93.c                    | 12 ++--
>  drivers/xen/swiotlb-xen.c                 |  2 +
>  include/linux/dma-direct.h                |  5 ++
>  include/linux/dma-mapping.h               | 29 ++++++++--
>  include/linux/dma-noncoherent.h           |  3 -
>  kernel/dma/direct.c                       | 51 ++++++++++++++++-
>  kernel/dma/mapping.c                      | 43 +++++++++++++-
>  kernel/dma/ops_helpers.c                  | 35 ++++++++++++
>  kernel/dma/virt.c                         |  2 +
>  sound/mips/hal2.c                         | 20 +++----
>  29 files changed, 254 insertions(+), 96 deletions(-)
>

Thanks for the patch. The general design looks quite nice, but please
see my comments inline.


> diff --git a/Documentation/core-api/dma-api.rst b/Documentation/core-api/dma-api.rst
> index 90239348b30f6f..047fcfffa0e5cf 100644
> --- a/Documentation/core-api/dma-api.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/core-api/dma-api.rst
> @@ -516,48 +516,53 @@ routines, e.g.:::
>         }
>
>
> -Part II - Advanced dma usage
> -----------------------------
> +Part II - Non-coherent DMA allocations
> +--------------------------------------
>
> -Warning: These pieces of the DMA API should not be used in the
> -majority of cases, since they cater for unlikely corner cases that
> -don't belong in usual drivers.
> +These APIs allow to allocate pages that can be used like normal pages
> +in the kernel direct mapping, but are guaranteed to be DMA addressable.

Could we elaborate a bit more on what "like normal pages in kernel
direct mapping" mean from the driver perspective?

>
>  If you don't understand how cache line coherency works between a
>  processor and an I/O device, you should not be using this part of the
> -API at all.
> +API.
>
>  ::
>
>         void *
> -       dma_alloc_attrs(struct device *dev, size_t size, dma_addr_t *dma_handle,
> -                       gfp_t flag, unsigned long attrs)
> +       dma_alloc_pages(struct device *dev, size_t size, dma_addr_t *dma_handle,
> +                       enum dma_data_direction dir, gfp_t gfp)
> +
> +This routine allocates a region of <size> bytes of consistent memory.  It
> +returns a pointer to the allocated region (in the processor's virtual address
> +space) or NULL if the allocation failed. The returned memory is guanteed to
> +behave like memory allocated using alloc_pages.

There is one aspect that the existing dma_alloc_attrs() handles, but
this new function doesn't: IOMMU support. The function will always
allocate a physically-contiguous block memory, which is a costly
operation and not even guaranteed to succeed, even if enough free
memory is available.

Modern SoCs employ IOMMUs to avoid the need to allocate
physically-contiguous memory and those happen to be also the devices
that could benefit from non-coherent allocations a lot. One of the
tasks of the DMA API was making it possible to allocate suitable
memory for a given device, without having the driver know about the
SoC integration details, such as the presence of an IOMMU.

Today, dma_alloc_attrs() uses the .alloc callback of the dma_ops
struct and the IOMMU-aware implementations, like the dma-iommu helpers
[1], would allocate discontiguous pages. Therefore, while I see the
DMA-aware page allocation functionality as a useful functionality on
its own for scatter-gather-capable hardware, I believe it is not a
complete replacement for dma_alloc_attrs() with the
DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT attribute.

[1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.9-rc1/source/drivers/iommu/dma-iommu.c#L510

Best regards,
Tomasz
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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20200819065610eucas1p2fde88e81917071b1888e7cc01ba0f298@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-08-19  6:55 ` a saner API for allocating DMA addressable pages Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 01/28] mm: turn alloc_pages into an inline function Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 02/28] drm/exynos: stop setting DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 03/28] drm/nouveau/gk20a: " Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 04/28] net/au1000-eth: stop using DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 05/28] media/v4l2: remove V4L2-FLAG-MEMORY-NON-CONSISTENT Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19 11:16     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-19 11:51       ` Robin Murphy
2020-08-19 12:49         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-19 13:57           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19 14:11             ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20  4:45               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20 10:09                 ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20 16:51                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19 14:07           ` Robin Murphy
2020-08-19 14:22             ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20  4:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20  5:02             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20 10:24               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20 16:52                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20 17:41                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-19 13:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19 13:57         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20  4:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20  5:20             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20 10:05               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-20 16:54                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-20 17:33                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-09-01 11:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 15:02                       ` Tomasz Figa
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 06/28] lib82596: move DMA allocation into the callers of i82596_probe Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 13:29     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 07/28] 53c700: improve non-coherent DMA handling Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 14:52     ` James Bottomley
2020-09-01 15:05       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-01 15:22         ` James Bottomley
2020-09-01 16:21           ` Helge Deller
2020-09-01 16:41             ` Helge Deller
2020-09-01 16:53               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-02 15:00                 ` Helge Deller
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 08/28] MIPS: make dma_sync_*_for_cpu a little less overzealous Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 13:53     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 09/28] MIPS/jazzdma: remove the unused vdma_remap function Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 13:49     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 10/28] MIPS/jazzdma: decouple from dma-direct Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 13:49     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 11/28] dma-mapping: add (back) arch_dma_mark_clean for ia64 Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 12/28] dma-direct: remove dma_direct_{alloc,free}_pages Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 13/28] dma-direct: lift gfp_t manipulation out of__dma_direct_alloc_pages Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 14/28] dma-direct: use phys_to_dma_direct in dma_direct_alloc Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 15/28] dma-direct: remove __dma_to_phys Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 16/28] dma-direct: rename and cleanup __phys_to_dma Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 17/28] dma-mapping: move dma_common_{mmap, get_sgtable} out of mapping.c Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 18/28] dma-mapping: move the dma_declare_coherent_memory documentation Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 19/28] dma-mapping: replace DMA_ATTR_NON_CONSISTENT with dma_{alloc, free}_pages Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19 15:03     ` Tomasz Figa [this message]
2020-08-20  5:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 20/28] sgiwd93: convert from dma_cache_sync to dma_sync_single_for_device Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 21/28] hal2: " Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 22/28] sgiseeq: " Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 15:22     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-09-01 17:12       ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-09-01 17:16         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-01 17:38           ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-09-02 21:38             ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2020-09-03  8:42               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-03  8:43             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-03  8:46               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 23/28] lib82596: " Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 24/28] 53c700: " Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 25/28] dma-mapping: remove dma_cache_sync Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 26/28] dmapool: add dma_alloc_pages support Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 27/28] nvme-pci: fix PRP pool size Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-19  6:55   ` [PATCH 28/28] nvme-pci: use dma_alloc_pages backed dmapools Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-25 11:30   ` a saner API for allocating DMA addressable pages Marek Szyprowski
2020-08-25 13:26     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-08-29  9:46   ` Helge Deller

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