RE: [RFC] Use SMMU HTTU for DMA dirty page tracking

["Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>]

> From: Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 11:31 AM
> 
> Hi Jean and Kevin,
> 
> FYI, I have send out the SMMUv3 HTTU support for DMA dirty tracking[1] a
> week ago.
> 
> Thanks,
> Keqian
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-iommu/20210128151742.18840-1-
> zhukeqian1@huawei.com/

Thanks for the pointer. We will take a look.

> 
> On 2020/5/27 17:14, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
> > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 08:40:47AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> >>> From: Xiang Zheng <zhengxiang9@huawei.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 2:45 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2020/5/27 11:27, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> >>>>> From: Xiang Zheng
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 7:34 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [+cc Kirti, Yan, Alex]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2020/5/23 1:14, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:42:55PM +0800, Xiang Zheng wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there any plan for enabling SMMU HTTU?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not outside of SVA, as far as I know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have seen the patch locates in the SVA series patch, which adds
> >>>>>>> support for HTTU:
> >>>>>>>     https://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg798694.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTTU reduces the number of access faults on SMMU fault queue
> >>>>>>> (permission faults also benifit from it).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Besides reducing the faults, HTTU also helps to track dirty pages for
> >>>>>>> device DMA. Is it feasible to utilize HTTU to get dirty pages on device
> >>>>>>> DMA during VFIO live migration?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As you know there is a VFIO interface for this under discussion:
> >>>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/1589781397-28368-1-git-send-email-
> >>>>> kwankhede@nvidia.com/
> >>>>>> It doesn't implement an internal API to communicate with the
> IOMMU
> >>>>> driver
> >>>>>> about dirty pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> We plan to add such API later, e.g. to utilize A/D bit in VT-d 2nd-level
> >>>> page tables (Rev 3.0).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Kevin.
> >>>
> >>> When will you send this series patches? Maybe(Hope) we can also
> support
> >>> hardware-based dirty pages tracking via common APIs based on your
> >>> patches. :)
> >>
> >> Yan is working with Kirti on basic live migration support now. After that
> >> part is done, we will start working on A/D bit support. Yes, common APIs
> >> are definitely the goal here.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If SMMU can track dirty pages, devices are not required to
> implement
> >>>>>>> additional dirty pages tracking to support VFIO live migration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems feasible, though tracking it in the device might be more
> >>>>>> efficient. I might have misunderstood but I think for live migration of
> >>>>>> the Intel NIC they trap guest accesses to the device and introspect its
> >>>>>> state to figure out which pages it is accessing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does HTTU implement A/D-like mechanism in SMMU page tables, or
> just
> >>>> report dirty pages in a log buffer? Either way tracking dirty pages in
> IOMMU
> >>>> side is generic thus doesn't require device-specific tweak like in Intel NIC.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Currently HTTU just implement A/D-like mechanism in SMMU page
> tables.
> >>> We certainly
> >>> expect SMMU can also implement PML-like feature so that we can avoid
> >>> walking the
> >>> whole page table to get the dirty pages.
> >
> > There is no reporting of dirty pages in log buffer. It might be possible
> > to do software logging based on PRI or Stall, but that requires special
> > support in the endpoint as well as the SMMU.
> >
> >> Is there a link to HTTU introduction?
> >
> > I don't know any gentle introduction, but there are sections D5.4.11
> > "Hardware management of the Access flag and dirty state" in the ARM
> > Architecture Reference Manual (DDI0487E), and section 3.13 "Translation
> > table entries and Access/Dirty flags" in the SMMU specification
> > (IHI0070C). HTTU stands for "Hardware Translation Table Update".
> >
> > In short, when HTTU is enabled, the SMMU translation performs an atomic
> > read-modify-write on the leaf translation table descriptor, setting some
> > bits depending on the type of memory access. This can be enabled
> > independently on both stage-1 and stage-2 tables (equivalent to your 1st
> > and 2nd page tables levels, I think).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jean
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