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From: Alexander Graf via iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	benh@amazon.com, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alcioa@amazon.com,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, aagch@amazon.com,
	dhr@amazon.com, dwmw@amazon.com,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	aggh@amazon.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] swiotlb: Allow swiotlb to live at pre-defined address
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:11:31 +0100
Message-ID: <cef4f2f5-3530-82f8-c0f5-ee0c2701ce6a@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200326170516.GB6387@lst.de>



On 26.03.20 18:05, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 05:29:22PM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> The swiotlb is a very convenient fallback mechanism for bounce buffering of
>> DMAable data. It is usually used for the compatibility case where devices
>> can only DMA to a "low region".
>>
>> However, in some scenarios this "low region" may be bound even more
>> heavily. For example, there are embedded system where only an SRAM region
>> is shared between device and CPU. There are also heterogeneous computing
>> scenarios where only a subset of RAM is cache coherent between the
>> components of the system. There are partitioning hypervisors, where
>> a "control VM" that implements device emulation has limited view into a
>> partition's memory for DMA capabilities due to safety concerns.
>>
>> This patch adds a command line driven mechanism to move all DMA memory into
>> a predefined shared memory region which may or may not be part of the
>> physical address layout of the Operating System.
>>
>> Ideally, the typical path to set this configuration would be through Device
>> Tree or ACPI, but neither of the two mechanisms is standardized yet. Also,
>> in the x86 MicroVM use case, we have neither ACPI nor Device Tree, but
>> instead configure the system purely through kernel command line options.
>>
>> I'm sure other people will find the functionality useful going forward
>> though and extend it to be triggered by DT/ACPI in the future.
> 
> I'm totally against hacking in a kernel parameter for this.  We'll need
> a proper documented DT or ACPI way.  

I'm with you on that sentiment, but in the environment I'm currently 
looking at, we have neither DT nor ACPI: The kernel gets purely 
configured via kernel command line. For other unenumerable artifacts on 
the system, such as virtio-mmio platform devices, that works well enough 
and also basically "hacks a kernel parameter" to specify the system layout.

> We also need to feed this information
> into the actual DMA bounce buffering decisions and not just the swiotlb
> placement.

Care to elaborate a bit here? I was under the impression that 
"swiotlb=force" basically allows you to steer the DMA bounce buffering 
decisions already.


Thanks!

Alex



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Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26 16:29 Alexander Graf via iommu
2020-03-26 17:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-03-26 17:11   ` Alexander Graf via iommu [this message]
2020-03-26 17:16     ` David Woodhouse
2020-03-30 13:24     ` Mark Rutland
2020-03-27  9:58 ` Jan Kiszka
2020-03-28 11:57 ` Dave Young
2020-03-30  6:06   ` Kairui Song
2020-03-30 13:40     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2020-03-30 20:42       ` Alexander Graf via iommu
2020-03-30 23:37         ` Anthony Yznaga
2020-03-31  1:59         ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  2:16         ` Baoquan He
2020-03-31  1:46       ` Dave Young

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