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From: Arnd Bergmann <>
To: Andrew Lunn <>
Cc: Nick Desaulniers <>,
	netdev <>,
	David Miller <>,
	Jakub Kicinski <>,
	Masahiro Yamada <>,
	Michal Marek <>,
	Rohit Maheshwari <>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <>,
	clang-built-linux <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 1/2] Makefile.extrawarn: Add symbol for W=1 warnings for today
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:20:50 +0200
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 3:44 AM Andrew Lunn <> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 04:09:43PM -0700, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:12 PM Andrew Lunn <> wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a movement to try to make more and more of /drivers W=1
> > > clean. But it will only stay clean if new warnings are quickly
> > > detected and fixed, ideally by the developer adding the new code.

Nice, I think everyone agrees that this is a good goal.

> > > To allow subdirectories to sign up to being W=1 clean for a given
> > > definition of W=1, export the current set of additional compile flags
> > > using the symbol KBUILD_CFLAGS_W1_20200930. Subdirectory Makefiles can
> > > then use:
> > >
> > > subdir-ccflags-y := $(KBUILD_CFLAGS_W1_20200930)
> > >
> > > To indicate they want to W=1 warnings as defined on 20200930.
> > >
> > > Additional warnings can be added to the W=1 definition. This will not
> > > affect KBUILD_CFLAGS_W1_20200930 and hence no additional warnings will
> > > start appearing unless W=1 is actually added to the command
> > > line. Developers can then take their time to fix any new W=1 warnings,
> > > and then update to the latest KBUILD_CFLAGS_W1_<DATESTAMP> symbol.
> >
> > I'm not a fan of this approach.  Are DATESTAMP configs just going to
> > keep being added? Is it going to complicate isolating the issue from a
> > randconfig build?  If we want more things to build warning-free at
> > W=1, then why don't we start moving warnings from W=1 into the
> > default, until this is no W=1 left?  That way we're cutting down on
> > the kernel's configuration combinatorial explosion, rather than adding
> > to it?

I'm also a little sceptical about the datestamp.

> Hi Nick
> I don't see randconfig being an issue. driver/net/ethernet would
> always be build W=1, by some stable definition of W=1. randconfig
> would not enable or disable additional warnings. It to make it clear,
> KBUILD_CFLAGS_W1_20200930 is not a Kconfig option you can select. It
> is a Makefile constant, a list of warnings which define what W=1 means
> on that specific day. See patch 1/2.

It won't change with the configuration, but it will change with the
specific compiler version. When you enable a warning in a
particular driver or directory, this may have different effects
on one compiler compared to another: clang and gcc sometimes
differ in their interpretation of which specific forms of an expression
to warn about or not, and any multiplexing options like -Wextra
or -Wformat may turn on additional warnings in later releases.

> I see a few issues with moving individual warnings from W=1 to the
> default:
> One of the comments for v1 of this patchset is that we cannot
> introduce new warnings in the build. The complete tree needs to clean
> of a particularly warning, before it can be added to the default list.
> But that is not how people are cleaning up code, nor how the
> infrastructure is designed. Those doing the cleanup are not take the
> first from the list, -Wextra and cleanup up the whole tree for that
> one warnings. They are rather enabling W=1 on a subdirectory, and
> cleanup up all warnings on that subdirectory. So using this approach,
> in order to move a warning from W=1 to the default, we are going to
> have to get the entire tree W=1 clean, and move them all the warnings
> are once.

I think the two approaches are orthogonal, and I would like to
see both happening as much as possible:

- any warning flag in the W=1 set (including many things implied
  by -Wextra that have or should have their own flags) that
  only causes a few lines of output should just be enabled by
  default after we address the warnings

- Code with maintainers that care should have a way to enable
  the entire W=1 set per directory or per file after addressing all
  the warnings they do see, with new flags only getting added to
  W=1 when they don't cause regressions.

There are more things that we might want to do on top of this:

- identify additional warning flags that we be good to add to W=1

- identify warning flags that are better off being turned into errors,
  like we do with -Werror=strict-prototypes

- Fix the warnings in W=2 that show up in common header files,
  to actually make it realistic to build specific drivers with W=2
  and not have interesting issues drowned out in the noise.

- ensure that any warning flag we turn *off* in W=1 or by default
  is turned on again in one of the higher levels

> People generally don't care about the tree as a whole. They care about
> their own corner. The idea of fixing one warning thought the whole
> tree is 'slicing and dicing' the kernel the wrong way. As we have seen
> with the recent work with W=1, the more natural way to slice/dice the
> kernel is by subdirectories.

I do care about the tree as a whole, and I'm particularly interested in
having -Wmissing-declarations/-Wmissing-prototypes enabled globally
at some point in the future.


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Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01  1:12 [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/2] driver/net/ethernet W=1 by default Andrew Lunn
2020-10-01  1:12 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/2] Makefile.extrawarn: Add symbol for W=1 warnings for today Andrew Lunn
2020-10-01 23:09   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-10-02  1:44     ` Andrew Lunn
2020-10-02 12:20       ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2020-10-02 12:51         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-10-02 13:15           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-10-12  1:00         ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-10-12  8:05           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-10-05 17:31       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-10-05 19:49         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-10-05 20:03           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-10-05 21:08             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-10-11 13:03               ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-10-12  8:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-10-16 14:12                 ` Andrew Lunn
     [not found]                   ` <>
2020-10-17 14:57                     ` Andrew Lunn
2020-10-02 11:08   ` kernel test robot
2020-10-01  1:12 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/2] driver/net/ethernet: Sign up for W=1 as defined on 20200930 Andrew Lunn

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