From: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] -ffreestanding/-fno-builtin-* patches
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:59:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKwvOdmfiD1TNqRvFuX07BqonYzh1eKFE9mFmOpaSyrbR0d5Lw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200818222542.GA3254379@rani.riverdale.lan>
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 3:25 PM Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Another thing that needs to be fixed is that at least lib/string.c needs
> to be compiled with -ffreestanding.
>
> gcc-10 optimizes the generic memset implementation in there into a call
> to memset. Now that's on x86 which doesn't use the generic
> implementation, but this is just waiting to bite us.
>
> https://godbolt.org/z/6EhG15
I'll let you send the patch for that this time. (It's too bad godbolt
doesn't have newer versions of GCC for cross compilation...cant test
aarch64 gcc-10, for example.) It would be interesting for sure to see
resulting differences in disassembly observed in lib/string.o with
-ffreestanding.
But, oof, that's not good. Certainly impressive and powerful loop
idiom recognition, but wouldn't you consider it a bug that this
optimization should probably first check that it's not replacing part
of a loop with a potentially recursive call to itself?
Admittedly, we've had the same shenanigans with memcpy implemented in
terms of calls to __builtin_memcpy being lowered to infinitely
recursive calls...which feels like the same kind of bug. ("You wanted
infinite recursion in the kexec purgatory image, right?" "No,
compiler, I did not.") example: https://godbolt.org/z/MzrTaM
(probably should fix this in both implementations; at the least I feel
like Clang's -Winfinite-recursion should try to help us out here).
Feels almost like it may be difficult to provide an implementation of
memset without stepping on a landmine. One thing I'd be curious about
is whether all of lib/string.c would need -ffreestanding, or if you
could move just memset to its own TU then use -ffreestanding on that.
A free standing environment must always provide a core set of
functions like memset, memcpy, memcmp, memmove, according to
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Standards.html. Maybe those four
should be in a separate TU compiled as -ffreestanding, so that they
can never be lowered to calls to themselves (potentially infinitely
recursive)?
--
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-18 23:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-17 22:02 [PATCH 0/4] -ffreestanding/-fno-builtin-* patches Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] Makefile: add -fno-builtin-stpcpy Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-17 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-17 23:36 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:21 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-18 7:10 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-08-18 7:25 ` Greg KH
2020-08-18 7:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-08-18 7:34 ` Greg KH
2020-08-18 19:23 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] Revert "lib/string.c: implement a basic bcmp" Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 5:44 ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-08-18 18:00 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/boot: use -fno-builtin-bcmp Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24 ` Kees Cook
2020-08-17 22:02 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86: don't build CONFIG_X86_32 as -ffreestanding Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:24 ` Kees Cook
2021-01-07 0:27 ` Fangrui Song
2020-08-17 22:44 ` [PATCH 0/4] -ffreestanding/-fno-builtin-* patches H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-18 17:56 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-18 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-18 19:25 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 19:58 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-19 12:19 ` Clement Courbet
2020-08-18 20:24 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 20:27 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 20:58 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 21:41 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 21:51 ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-18 21:59 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 22:05 ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-18 23:22 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-20 14:56 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2020-08-20 17:56 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-20 18:05 ` Dávid Bolvanský
2020-08-20 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 17:29 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 19:14 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-21 19:57 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 20:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-21 21:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-22 0:12 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-22 12:20 ` David Laight
2020-08-21 6:45 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2020-08-24 15:57 ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-24 17:34 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-25 7:10 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-25 7:31 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-25 12:28 ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-25 14:02 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-26 13:28 ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-08-18 21:53 ` David Laight
2020-08-20 22:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2020-08-20 23:17 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 19:35 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-18 22:25 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-18 22:59 ` Nick Desaulniers [this message]
2020-08-18 23:51 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-19 0:20 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-19 8:26 ` David Laight
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