From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752501AbYCIOTL (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:19:11 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751485AbYCIOS7 (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:18:59 -0400 Received: from gateway.drzeus.cx ([85.8.24.16]:40100 "EHLO smtp.drzeus.cx" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751428AbYCIOS7 (ORCPT ); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:18:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:16:59 +0100 From: Pierre Ossman To: "LKML" , linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org Cc: "Pallipadi, Venkatesh" , "Dave Jones" , "Andi Kleen" , "Alan Stern" , "Adam Belay" , "Lee Revell" , "Pavel Machek" Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] cpuidle: avoid singing capacitors Message-ID: <20080309151659.63d54f38@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> In-Reply-To: <20080306092730.4412d085@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> References: <924EFEDD5F540B4284297C4DC59F3DEEA2E8B2@orsmsx423.amr.corp.intel.com> <20080303231033.GB15255@one.firstfloor.org> <20080304040048.GA31562@codemonkey.org.uk> <20080304071423.0e6b71c1@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> <20080304181924.70aaf8c1@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> <924EFEDD5F540B4284297C4DC59F3DEEA77031@orsmsx423.amr.corp.intel.com> <20080305070201.0d16cd40@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> <20080305094023.6486ebdf@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> <20080306092730.4412d085@mjolnir.drzeus.cx> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.8; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I'm beginning to think this is a lost cause. I've tried several variants, all without satisfactory results. In case anyone else has any more ideas, I'll detail what I've found influences the noise: 1. C state This is the big one. There is no noise as long as C3 is avoided (processor.max_cstate). 2. uhci_hcd driver USB is somehow involved in this problem. Unloading the uhci_hcd driver almost entirely kills the noise on a 1000 HZ NO_HZ kernel. On a 100 HZ, no NO_HZ kernel, the effect is very small, but still there. 3. Low speed USB devices Related, the noise goes away if I insert a USB mouse (low speed). A high-speed device does not effect the noise, neither does the two built-in low speed devices (a fingerprint reader and a bluetooth host). 4. Battery and AC The noise increases with the battery present and also when the AC supply is removed. 5. Second core Disabling the second core makes the noise go away. This might be a subset of 1., as I've been told that a stopped core enters C1. Changing HZ and NO_HZ has no noticeable effect on the problem (except the odd behaviour in 2.). This is further supported by the fact that Windows also has the problem (which should behave close to 100 HZ without NO_HZ). So for now, the only viable workaround is processor.max_cstate.... -- -- Pierre Ossman Linux kernel, MMC maintainer http://www.kernel.org PulseAudio, core developer http://pulseaudio.org rdesktop, core developer http://www.rdesktop.org