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From: rostedt at goodmis.org (Steven Rostedt)
Subject: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:37:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190508123748.1737b8b5@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg5_fwx_-ybD9TLQE4rAUqtYzO2CAmpciWTkDn3dtKMOw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 7 May 2019 21:50:52 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds at linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > It's been a bane of mine for some time.  
> 
> Guys, I have basically a one-liner patch for your hangups.
> 
> It's called "rename 'sp' to 'user_sp' on x86-32".
> 
> Then we make the 'sp' field on x86-64 be a union, so that you can call
> it user_sp or sp as you wish.
> 
> Yeah, it's really more than one line, because obviously the users will
> need chaning, but honestly, that would be a _real_ cleanup. Make the
> register match what it actually is.

But is it? Sure, it will be a reminder that it's different for x86-32,
but that still doesn't take away the fact that pt_regs on x86_32 is an
anomaly! Where else do we have part of a data structure that can't be
read because it can possibly fault? If regs is a valid pointer, one
would think that simply reading regs->sp (or regs->user_sp) would be no
more dangerous than reading regs->ip.

The difference between entry_32.S from entry_64.S causes it to spill
into C code, making the x86_64 code more difficult to deal with. Sure,
10 to 15 years ago, all your arguments would make sense. But today, who
uses x86_32?  Perhaps you may use it in a VM, but I asked a few
developers when was the last time they used one, they told me 5 to 7
years ago. I only boot x86_32 to test to make sure I didn't break it.

Yes, your diffstat is really nice to the changes to entry_32.S, but at
what cost? To make the x86_64 code more complex? That whole returning
the regs in the int3 handler makes no sense on x86_64, but yet we would
need to do it to handle x86_32. Why burden the architecture of today
and tomorrow with the architecture of yesterday? x86_32 is becoming
more obsolete by the day. It baffles me why we wouldn't want to contain
its complexity in a single file then to spread it out like wildfire
across the generic x86 code.

The &regs->sp hack is just one more rung in the complex learning curve
ladder of becoming a Linux kernel developer.

-- Steve

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From: rostedt@goodmis.org (Steven Rostedt)
Subject: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:37:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190508123748.1737b8b5@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190508163748.CkEUnlvJfX1TktqX_BPcWw9lJMwGLfQGy6x7mTslmgE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg5_fwx_-ybD9TLQE4rAUqtYzO2CAmpciWTkDn3dtKMOw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 7 May 2019 21:50:52 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> > It's been a bane of mine for some time.  
> 
> Guys, I have basically a one-liner patch for your hangups.
> 
> It's called "rename 'sp' to 'user_sp' on x86-32".
> 
> Then we make the 'sp' field on x86-64 be a union, so that you can call
> it user_sp or sp as you wish.
> 
> Yeah, it's really more than one line, because obviously the users will
> need chaning, but honestly, that would be a _real_ cleanup. Make the
> register match what it actually is.

But is it? Sure, it will be a reminder that it's different for x86-32,
but that still doesn't take away the fact that pt_regs on x86_32 is an
anomaly! Where else do we have part of a data structure that can't be
read because it can possibly fault? If regs is a valid pointer, one
would think that simply reading regs->sp (or regs->user_sp) would be no
more dangerous than reading regs->ip.

The difference between entry_32.S from entry_64.S causes it to spill
into C code, making the x86_64 code more difficult to deal with. Sure,
10 to 15 years ago, all your arguments would make sense. But today, who
uses x86_32?  Perhaps you may use it in a VM, but I asked a few
developers when was the last time they used one, they told me 5 to 7
years ago. I only boot x86_32 to test to make sure I didn't break it.

Yes, your diffstat is really nice to the changes to entry_32.S, but at
what cost? To make the x86_64 code more complex? That whole returning
the regs in the int3 handler makes no sense on x86_64, but yet we would
need to do it to handle x86_32. Why burden the architecture of today
and tomorrow with the architecture of yesterday? x86_32 is becoming
more obsolete by the day. It baffles me why we wouldn't want to contain
its complexity in a single file then to spread it out like wildfire
across the generic x86 code.

The &regs->sp hack is just one more rung in the complex learning curve
ladder of becoming a Linux kernel developer.

-- Steve

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-08 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190501202830.347656894@goodmis.org>
2019-05-01 20:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions rostedt
2019-05-01 20:28   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02  3:24   ` rostedt
2019-05-02  3:24     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 16:21     ` peterz
2019-05-02 16:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 16:29       ` peterz
2019-05-02 16:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:02       ` torvalds
2019-05-02 18:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 18:18         ` peterz
2019-05-02 18:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:30           ` peterz
2019-05-02 18:30             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 18:43           ` torvalds
2019-05-02 18:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 19:28             ` jikos
2019-05-02 19:28               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-02 20:25               ` luto
2019-05-02 20:25                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 20:21             ` peterz
2019-05-02 20:21               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 20:49               ` torvalds
2019-05-02 20:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-02 21:32                 ` peterz
2019-05-02 21:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 19:24                 ` rostedt
2019-05-03 19:24                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 21:46                   ` torvalds
2019-05-03 21:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 22:49                     ` rostedt
2019-05-03 22:49                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 23:07                       ` torvalds
2019-05-03 23:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04  4:17                         ` rostedt
2019-05-04  4:17                           ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                           ` <CAHk-=wiuSFbv_rELND-BLWcP0GSZ0yF=xOAEcf61GE3bU9d=yg@mail.gmail.com>
2019-05-04 18:59                             ` torvalds
2019-05-04 18:59                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04 20:12                               ` luto
2019-05-04 20:12                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-04 20:28                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-04 20:28                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-04 20:36                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-04 20:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 22:55                     ` luto
2019-05-03 22:55                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 23:16                       ` torvalds
2019-05-03 23:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-03 23:32                         ` luto
2019-05-03 23:32                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-02 22:52               ` rostedt
2019-05-02 22:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 23:31                 ` rostedt
2019-05-02 23:31                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-02 23:50                   ` rostedt
2019-05-02 23:50                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03  1:51                     ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2 v2] " rostedt
2019-05-03  1:51                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03  9:29                     ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] " peterz
2019-05-03  9:29                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 13:22                       ` rostedt
2019-05-03 13:22                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:20                         ` luto
2019-05-03 16:20                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 16:31                           ` rostedt
2019-05-03 16:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:35                             ` peterz
2019-05-03 16:35                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 16:44                               ` luto
2019-05-03 16:44                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-03 16:49                                 ` rostedt
2019-05-03 16:49                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 16:32                           ` peterz
2019-05-03 16:32                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 18:57                           ` torvalds
2019-05-03 18:57                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06  8:19                             ` peterz
2019-05-06  8:19                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-06 13:56                               ` rostedt
2019-05-06 13:56                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 16:17                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-06 16:17                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 16:19                                   ` torvalds
2019-05-06 16:19                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 17:06                                   ` rostedt
2019-05-06 17:06                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 18:06                                     ` torvalds
2019-05-06 18:06                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 18:57                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-06 18:57                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 19:46                                         ` torvalds
2019-05-06 19:46                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 20:29                                           ` rostedt
2019-05-06 20:29                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 20:42                                             ` torvalds
2019-05-06 20:42                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 20:44                                               ` torvalds
2019-05-06 20:44                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 21:45                                               ` rostedt
2019-05-06 21:45                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 22:06                                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-06 22:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-06 22:31                                                   ` torvalds
2019-05-06 22:31                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07  0:10                                                     ` rostedt
2019-05-07  0:10                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  1:06                                                       ` torvalds
2019-05-07  1:06                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07  1:04                                                   ` rostedt
2019-05-07  1:04                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  1:34                                                     ` rostedt
2019-05-07  1:34                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  1:34                                                     ` torvalds
2019-05-07  1:34                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07  1:53                                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-07  1:53                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  2:22                                                         ` torvalds
2019-05-07  2:22                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07  2:58                                                           ` rostedt
2019-05-07  2:58                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  3:05                                                             ` torvalds
2019-05-07  3:05                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07  3:21                                                               ` rostedt
2019-05-07  3:21                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07  3:28                                                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-07  3:28                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 14:54                                                                   ` torvalds
2019-05-07 14:54                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 15:12                                                                     ` rostedt
2019-05-07 15:12                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:25                                                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-07 15:25                                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 16:25                                                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-07 16:25                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:31                                                                       ` torvalds
2019-05-07 15:31                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 15:45                                                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-07 15:45                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 16:34                                                                         ` peterz
2019-05-07 16:34                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 17:08                                                                           ` torvalds
2019-05-07 17:08                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 17:21                                                                             ` jpoimboe
2019-05-07 17:21                                                                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-05-07 21:24                                                                               ` rostedt
2019-05-07 21:24                                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-08  4:50                                                                                 ` torvalds
2019-05-08  4:50                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-08 16:37                                                                                   ` rostedt [this message]
2019-05-08 16:37                                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 17:38                                                                             ` peterz
2019-05-07 17:38                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07  9:51                                                           ` peterz
2019-05-07  9:51                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 14:48                                                           ` luto
2019-05-07 14:48                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-05-07 14:57                                                             ` torvalds
2019-05-07 14:57                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-07 14:13                                                 ` mhiramat
2019-05-07 14:13                                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-07 17:15                                                   ` mhiramat
2019-05-07 17:15                                                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-06 14:22                               ` peterz
2019-05-06 14:22                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07  8:57                               ` peterz
2019-05-07  8:57                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07  9:18                                 ` David.Laight
2019-05-07  9:18                                   ` David Laight
2019-05-07 11:30                                   ` peterz
2019-05-07 11:30                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:57                                     ` David.Laight
2019-05-07 12:57                                       ` David Laight
2019-05-07 13:14                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-07 13:14                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 14:50                                         ` David.Laight
2019-05-07 14:50                                           ` David Laight
2019-05-07 14:57                                           ` rostedt
2019-05-07 14:57                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 15:46                                             ` David.Laight
2019-05-07 15:46                                               ` David Laight
2019-05-07 13:32                                       ` peterz
2019-05-07 13:32                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07  9:27                                 ` peterz
2019-05-07  9:27                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:27                                   ` rostedt
2019-05-07 12:27                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 12:41                                     ` peterz
2019-05-07 12:41                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-07 12:54                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-07 12:54                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-07 17:22                                         ` masami.hiramatsu
2019-05-07 17:22                                           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-05-07 14:28                                 ` peterz
2019-05-07 14:28                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-02 20:48         ` rostedt
2019-05-02 20:48           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-06 15:14         ` jpoimboe
2019-05-06 15:14           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-05-01 20:28 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] ftrace/x86: Emulate call function while updating in breakpoint handler rostedt
2019-05-01 20:28   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-03 10:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 1.5/2] x86: Add int3_emulate_call() selftest peterz
2019-05-03 10:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-03 18:46   ` rostedt
2019-05-03 18:46     ` Steven Rostedt

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