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From: "Björn Töpel" <bjorn.topel@gmail.com>
To: Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	zlim.lnx@gmail.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
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	Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>, Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@fb.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
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	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com, kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: arm64: bpf: Elide some moves to a0 after calls
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:30:23 +0100
Message-ID: <CAJ+HfNh2csyH2xZtGFXW1zwBEW4+bo_E60PWPydJkB6zZTVx3A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200128021145.36774-1-palmerdabbelt@google.com>

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 03:14, Palmer Dabbelt <palmerdabbelt@google.com> wrote:
>
> There's four patches here, but only one of them actually does anything.  The
> first patch fixes a BPF selftests build failure on my machine and has already
> been sent to the list separately.  The next three are just staged such that
> there are some patches that avoid changing any functionality pulled out from
> the whole point of those refactorings, with two cleanups and then the idea.
>
> Maybe this is an odd thing to say in a cover letter, but I'm not actually sure
> this patch set is a good idea.  The issue of extra moves after calls came up as
> I was reviewing some unrelated performance optimizations to the RISC-V BPF JIT.
> I figured I'd take a whack at performing the optimization in the context of the
> arm64 port just to get a breath of fresh air, and I'm not convinced I like the
> results.
>
> That said, I think I would accept something like this for the RISC-V port
> because we're already doing a multi-pass optimization for shrinking function
> addresses so it's not as much extra complexity over there.  If we do that we
> should probably start puling some of this code into the shared BPF compiler,
> but we're also opening the doors to more complicated BPF JIT optimizations.
> Given that the BPF JIT appears to have been designed explicitly to be
> simple/fast as opposed to perform complex optimization, I'm not sure this is a
> sane way to move forward.
>

Obviously I can only speak for myself and the RISC-V JIT, but given
that we already have opened the door for more advanced translations
(branch relaxation e.g.), I think that this makes sense. At the same
time we don't want to go all JVM on the JITs. :-P

> I figured I'd send the patch set out as more of a question than anything else.
> Specifically:
>
> * How should I go about measuring the performance of these sort of
>   optimizations?  I'd like to balance the time it takes to run the JIT with the
>   time spent executing the program, but I don't have any feel for what real BPF
>   programs look like or have any benchmark suite to run.  Is there something
>   out there this should be benchmarked against?  (I'd also like to know that to
>   run those benchmarks on the RISC-V port.)

If you run the selftests 'test_progs' with -v it'll measure/print the
execution time of the programs. I'd say *most* BPF program invokes a
helper (via call). It would be interesting to see, for say the
selftests, how often the optimization can be performed.

> * Is this the sort of thing that makes sense in a BPF JIT?  I guess I've just
>   realized I turned "review this patch" into a way bigger rabbit hole than I
>   really want to go down...
>

I'd say 'yes'. My hunch, and the workloads I've seen, BPF programs are
usually loaded, and then resident for a long time. So, the JIT time is
not super critical. The FB/Cilium folks can definitely provide a
better sample point, than my hunch. ;-)


Björn

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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-28  2:11 Palmer Dabbelt
2020-01-28  2:11 ` [PATCH 1/4] selftests/bpf: Elide a check for LLVM versions that can't compile it Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-11 18:20   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-01-28  2:11 ` [PATCH 2/4] arm64: bpf: Convert bpf2a64 to a function Palmer Dabbelt
2020-01-28  2:11 ` [PATCH 3/4] arm64: bpf: Split the read and write halves of dst Palmer Dabbelt
2020-01-28  2:11 ` [PATCH 4/4] arm64: bpf: Elide some moves to a0 after calls Palmer Dabbelt
2020-02-04 19:13   ` Björn Töpel
2020-02-11  0:15   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-02-04 19:30 ` Björn Töpel [this message]
2020-02-04 20:33   ` John Fastabend
2020-02-18 19:28     ` Palmer Dabbelt

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