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From: Zdenek Kabelac <>
To: Julian Andres Klode <>
Cc: LVM general discussion and development <>
Subject: Re: [linux-lvm] [PATCH] Detect systemd at run-time in 69-dm-lvm-metad.rules
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:09:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190731104134.7jsaxfaywjoutm7o@jak-t480s>

Dne 31. 07. 19 v 12:41 Julian Andres Klode napsal(a):
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:22:38PM +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote:
>> Dne 31. 07. 19 v 11:39 Julian Andres Klode napsal(a):
>>>>> I don't see how this has anything to do with lvmetad. There is no lvmetad
>>>>> anymore.
>>>> The whole point of 'service' for 'pvscan' is to postone activation of DM
>>>> devices outside of udev rule processing.
>>>> So whatever is replacing systemd service in your's systemd-less system must
>>>> provide similar functionality.
>>>> There is currently no way to accept autoactivation capability within
>>>> udev-rule processing.
>>> This has nothing to do with the part of the message you are replying too, and
>>> is nonsense. The code to run pvscan directly is shipped, the change just moves
>>> the decision whether to do that from compile-time to run-time.
>> As long as 'pvscan' is executed with 'auto-activation' option - it can't be
>> run from udev rule.   Any proposal for this needs to first resolve,
>> how to ensure udev will not try to kill running command in the middle of work.
>> Until this is resolved - proposal of this can't be accepted upstream.
> Again: The code is already there. I'm just moving the decision what to pick from
> compile-time to run-time. This is entirely orthogonal to whether the existing code
> works well or not.

So how about making  2 set of  lvm2 packages for Debian.

1st. set build with dependency on systemd libraries.
2nd. is build without dependency on systemd libraries (thus installable for 
non-systemd users)

lvm2 is not (ATM) build with runtime detection of systemd -  it's either 
compiled to work with systemd (expect all the services to be there).

2nd. mode is compilation without systemd world (provided mostly for older

We do not test 'hybrid' - where lvm2 would be adapting to presence of  systemd 
binaries (and we don't have capacity to test all these combinations)



      reply	other threads:[~2019-07-31 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-25 18:49 Julian Andres Klode
2019-07-30 15:02 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-07-30 15:12   ` Julian Andres Klode
2019-07-31  9:21     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-07-31  9:33       ` Julian Andres Klode
2019-07-31 10:16         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-07-31 10:51           ` Gionatan Danti
2019-07-31 11:12             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-07-31  9:39       ` Julian Andres Klode
2019-07-31 10:22         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2019-07-31 10:41           ` Julian Andres Klode
2019-07-31 11:09             ` Zdenek Kabelac [this message]

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