From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2411DCA9EAF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF04C21929 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727963AbfJXU4u (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:56:50 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.133]:39771 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727924AbfJXU4u (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:56:50 -0400 Received: from [172.27.42.23] ([92.116.126.230]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mzhar-1i2D8C12v3-00viVC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:56:49 +0200 To: linux-m68k From: Andreas 'count' Kotes Subject: Amiga PCMCIA network card support Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=count-vger.kernel.org+linux-m68k@flatline.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQGiBDx7418RBADbLQ3BQDTV6IQE4gKU+0hq55+JVGOGiFws71xXbCiiQueMFj4b+AI9W5qp wz6BAFuJJAEzL4UWas2qm/LcMCKO5RSoeYuBZViEn3LCtQabETpN3CUzqOwPRJFjz8VgEI/q w6kh1MqC1pEDsdtZHHRAZfsmzBbJTKbPI+BzH7zbcwCgl764P77Vv9wILgZmRl76QvsgudsD /1tIVNkOvyEltKYqgIVv/F0M3bC9sonouUlsVJvFFEdbPxFaYIoLq4Ur66vlZFyuRfHFSvfP F91bRxYUVg/+mtHpn9N0wQ6eo7CGn3ZWaPoz0yhgQAv15HO5jrlqVCrRe9/CWq0KRhRPDFhX 50XShcG/0unPPzmjJLij81fXorrcA/0fMSWCzZectQtpCd6InrsbXvPVOzmr6N2WpfEDLSdJ Bc5JgQ0NsA5ODhVFQ2J/qqVgMvJYcn/szvIsCxLWr6OHJIyNCO7TXuxtZhaR9Z+xwMTQ6FYL l70zY0feAA28c1yGZBfSg8hr0uJq25Khr/A8yjOoYwh4dwXeVOcEh6jy9LQpQW5kcmVhcyAn Q291bnQnIEtvdGVzIDxjb3VudEBmbGF0bGluZS5kZT6IaAQTEQoAIAULBwoDBAMVAwIDFgIB AheAAhkBBQJXHCz2BQkcgX0UABIHZUdQRwABAQkQ8dsojI+Uwig/IACdGqDU9uw4bvfsjXfH 0MmsALhVp/kAn29XZAitNC1hyp90nfPeB3L69yr7 Message-ID: <7d87adfd-4373-950d-fc94-3bbdcce9e798@flatline.de> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:56:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Bi8GazLoIAZRnteOFZMxs1S8zKQkLm7LilRUpMkEnt/g0PqwbjE kh6Gmkskyxsds7WtGM7gUI0Mp7ZqVYNA4NXQ026v3aLfrgShdip8b9F6vR0BQWsIuxJY2Zc 2XP/uSDd5eAhWvSE3nhXCgL31PeSjSobb7I+iANZhVKFX6lo086F2aKOu3kpHV7qa5V5dio wj0tiZrFS9KhtD8nbWY1A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fq+jfAYMe70=:9zoDLmh6PwR/ts7xJX/7Mc 9+g2gKrplYtW3uFCheNOnEtqM0eeFo6eU4/6Qy7mNGP3XC4oojIRywoZ//jszz9YbXPtFgPXx ZZsUwPA4KFyhUwljTl+6D6KRnMmBk7UO4DeKHy0ad4e3LpA4NW+hrb3j17SGcXZd8JZNHVgN7 PaaZYehcSrMmlcAep1ZMyu4mjuRisr6O8t1+xLMS7Si35vAwsvNl259BsTmjedzpFKl1eEWU5 gs8c3/EVF3j/QbkFCdBJi1Z4TnOHev4+xa6fYsvMttBOnPL7lYW/7e/fKydPfnxC/zj6xBn0B JyYCRgs01jrjtC9zDUhLxezt9e8fhKOx/h1ERylGZvqo/+UVTv7+X719urd/jB3vQ7l7ydg8N 6NkShoOCms4uUInFnnanJecR1qnYtQTkFih7GdpRmuvzkspAUG10hRCYBmZ7nmzsXclmmOu02 sePgYkf7eCHyblDk5d/2GXnbyYU4avY4lLTx7xA5bk7kvGdwShWMGR5CvljmRwkHguYnMns1c 7VXbicX1OOzhYan1TJgL/qZTFjWqH8jAG6l1anEiKdNx7eEdBab2wARjFwfsQj4pqQly2Qyhm N8PF57UT0DgbOT0jc3bLgNHvbagh7MEAKYgS/CiwdeLlOlQzTj/yOw7QoIopJ+gnasHWF1Efd nhDVfjkFv0hv60ywrq0t8PJaT74gG+54YSqRsnDvtHTsfsZjmE4n5sGHmmkqMGPPDTzN8poat hBg7mGFKc+95t5BXmRkvU61o6SdZ/4Fjp0IDpjp7zO4EgQ8CiwklqVs/2iHx0IUWzKMHTJ1FQ lp7M5zNlO6tu3v8zVNlIxZ1m2975f945/CtAoPtOdkKywjYPjMFASwKEhPY0ZiZZPSxLqJ7YV yg00w/+H6pyy9CtQMxdmMRw5oFimCqMwFkA7+t9nUWHhAiZXFjGClQpWq1qmWw Sender: linux-m68k-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org Hello dear list, I'm new to the party, so please bear with my with stupid questions and infractions on policy or anything else - I'm willing to learn, and am receptive to change, please just poke me if needed :) Replying to a somewhat older (but not too old) mail: On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Michael Schmitz wrote: >+if APNE >+config APNE100MBIT >+ bool "PCMCIA NE2000 100MBit support" >+ default n >+ depends on NE2000=n && PCMCIA_AXNET=n >+ depends on PCMCIA_PCNET=n && STNIC=n && ULTRA=n && WD80x3=n > >In all honesty, I doubt anyone could ever use the stnic, ultra and wd >drivers on m68k (Geert?) so these could be omitted as well. Not sure >pcnet_cs or axnet_cs are possible to use on the Amiga PCMCIA slot, so >all that remains in practice is the ne driver (which is used on Atari). what is the underlying problem here anyway? Looking at http://www.g-mb.de/pcmcia_e.html, there are quite a few cards supported by cnet.device under AmigaOS, and seem to be working well. I've got an Apollo RE450CT (at least I think it is - FCC ID: MQ4EC2T) which works just fine under AmigaOS, but isn't detected by apne.ko at all - the AmigaOS driver has had the last change to it in August 2007. One very common card amongst AmigaOS developers with PCMCIA seems to be the 3Com Etherlink III (3c589), which seems have had a sufficient driver update in February 2010. So, the situation is "ok" under AmigaOS ... but Linux support isn't there. Looking at various forums and mailing lists, people willing to use (or at least try) to try Linux on an A1200 or A600 seems to fail at this stage on a regular basis, and some report rather desperate searches for supported PCMCIA cards on various sites where people trade this kind of stuff - usually, to no success. If I look at the amount of people who do report success, consider the amount of people who talk about this issue at all, and then wildly guess how many people might have tried and failed and not said a thing, I think there might be a quite reasonable userbase unlockable by improving support for PCMCIA cards. The A1200 and A600 are small and sweet boxes, and companies like Individual Computer are still building accelerators that make them quite usable for surprising amount of tasks. Individual Computers also created the RapidRoad extension, which adds USB support - and AmigaOS software support is also surprisingly good. I added a Mouse and a Keyboard and they "just worked", same as a USB network device (ASIX AX88772), which also "just works". I'd like to work on support for RapidRoad (shouldn't be too much work, it uses a ST-Ericsson's isp1763 for which Android support already exists (although probably not for the 8-bit mode it uses), and supporting it when connected to an X-Surf should afterwards also be possible, if I read http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/RapidRoad correct ... ... but, all of this is no fun at all without network support under Linux :( .. I'll order a GuruNet/Plipbox style device and shall see how that helps me, but ... What needs to happen for stable, reliable support for existing PCMCIA network cards people already have? How can we unblock those possible Linux users? cheers from Berlin, count