Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

[Helge Kreutzmann]

Dear manpages maintainers.
the manpage-l10n project maintains a large number of translations of
man pages both from a large variety of sources (including manpages) as
well for a large variety of target languages.

During their work translators notice different possible issues in the
original (english) man pages. Sometiems this is a straightforward
typo, sometimes a hard to read sentence, sometimes this is a convention
not held up and sometimes we simply do not understand the original.

We use several distributions as sources and update regularly (at
least every 2 month). This means we are fairly recent (some
distributions like archlinux also update frequently) but might miss
the latest upstream version once a while, so the error might be
already fixed. We apologize and ask you to close the issue immediately
if this should be the case, but given the huge volume of projects and
the very limited number of volunteers we are not able to double check
each and every issue.

Secondly we translators see the manpages in the neutral po format,
i.e. converted and harmonized, but not the original source (be it man,
groff, xml or other). So we cannot provide a true patch (where
possible), but only an approximation which you need to translate into
your source format.

Finally the issues I'm reporting have accumulated over time and are
not always discovered by me, so sometimes my description of the
problem my be a bit limited - do not hesitate to ask so we can clarify
them.

I'm now reporting the errors for your project. As requested, each
issue is sent in an unique mail for easier tracking on your side. If
future reports should use another channel, please let me know.

**

Wording:

a) msgid "Those functions which wrap operations performed by the kernel."

b)
"Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols, "
"character set standards, the standard filesystem layout, and miscellaneous "
"other things."

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Re: Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

[Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)]

On 4/19/20 8:48 AM, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> Dear manpages maintainers.
> the manpage-l10n project maintains a large number of translations of
> man pages both from a large variety of sources (including manpages) as
> well for a large variety of target languages.
> 
> During their work translators notice different possible issues in the
> original (english) man pages. Sometiems this is a straightforward
> typo, sometimes a hard to read sentence, sometimes this is a convention
> not held up and sometimes we simply do not understand the original.
> 
> We use several distributions as sources and update regularly (at
> least every 2 month). This means we are fairly recent (some
> distributions like archlinux also update frequently) but might miss
> the latest upstream version once a while, so the error might be
> already fixed. We apologize and ask you to close the issue immediately
> if this should be the case, but given the huge volume of projects and
> the very limited number of volunteers we are not able to double check
> each and every issue.
> 
> Secondly we translators see the manpages in the neutral po format,
> i.e. converted and harmonized, but not the original source (be it man,
> groff, xml or other). So we cannot provide a true patch (where
> possible), but only an approximation which you need to translate into
> your source format.
> 
> Finally the issues I'm reporting have accumulated over time and are
> not always discovered by me, so sometimes my description of the
> problem my be a bit limited - do not hesitate to ask so we can clarify
> them.
> 
> I'm now reporting the errors for your project. As requested, each
> issue is sent in an unique mail for easier tracking on your side. If
> future reports should use another channel, please let me know.
> 
> **
> 
> Wording:
> 
> a) msgid "Those functions which wrap operations performed by the kernel."

See patch below.

> b)
> "Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols, "
> "character set standards, the standard filesystem layout, and miscellaneous "
> "other things."

I need more explanation of the problem here.

Thanks,

Michael

diff --git a/man7/man-pages.7 b/man7/man-pages.7
index 2bc8610f2..9212ec114 100644
--- a/man7/man-pages.7
+++ b/man7/man-pages.7
@@ -50,11 +50,11 @@ for authors writing man pages for other projects.
 The manual Sections are traditionally defined as follows:
 .TP
 .B 1 User commands (Programs)
-Those commands that can be executed by the user from within
+Commands that can be executed by the user from within
 a shell.
 .TP
 .B 2 System calls
-Those functions which wrap operations performed by the kernel.
+Functions which wrap operations performed by the kernel.
 .TP
 .B 3 Library calls
 All library functions excluding the system call wrappers


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Re: Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

[Helge Kreutzmann]

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Hello Michael,
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:01:27AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 4/19/20 8:48 AM, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > **
> > 
> > Wording:

…

> > b)
> > "Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols, "
> > "character set standards, the standard filesystem layout, and miscellaneous "
> > "other things."
> 
> I need more explanation of the problem here.

I reread it several times. I'm lost what the previous translator, who
is no longer active, meant.

I apologize for not having caught this one myself before reporting.

Please close this sub issue.

Greetings

         Helge

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AW: Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

[Walter Harms]

> > "Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols, "
> > "character set standards, the standard filesystem layout, and miscellaneous "
> > "other things."

I guess the author  would like to see something like this:
(Section 7)

"Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols like:
  "character set standards, standard filesystem layout, etc."

Note the "like"

hope that helps,

re,
 wh


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Von: linux-man-owner@vger.kernel.org <linux-man-owner@vger.kernel.org> im Auftrag von Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. April 2020 13:00
An: Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Betreff: Re: Errors in man pages, here: man-pages(7): Wording

Hello Michael,
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:01:27AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 4/19/20 8:48 AM, Helge Kreutzmann wrote:
> > **
> >
> > Wording:

…

> > b)
> > "Overviews or descriptions of various topics, conventions and protocols, "
> > "character set standards, the standard filesystem layout, and miscellaneous "
> > "other things."
>
> I need more explanation of the problem here.

I reread it several times. I'm lost what the previous translator, who
is no longer active, meant.

I apologize for not having caught this one myself before reporting.

Please close this sub issue.

Greetings

         Helge

--
      Dr. Helge Kreutzmann                     debian@helgefjell.de
           Dipl.-Phys.                   http://www.helgefjell.de/debian.php
        64bit GNU powered                     gpg signed mail preferred
           Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/