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Sat, 08 Apr 2023 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.160] ([170.253.51.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t6-20020a7bc3c6000000b003f04646838esm8124975wmj.39.2023.04.08.08.42.58 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Apr 2023 08:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3671fb94-6f67-0113-1d2e-b6804135da36@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 17:42:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.1 Subject: Re: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Content-Language: en-US To: Colin Watson References: <073413e2-7d35-f0d7-26eb-f66908d7af6a@gmail.com> <834jpuuc1a.fsf@gnu.org> <6ea6d1fe-375f-487a-b524-adc86880d3de@gmail.com> <83sfddqvk3.fsf@gnu.org> <390c8bba-6089-b006-eaf1-9fcfda2c6c4b@gmail.com> <837cumonv9.fsf@gnu.org> <78ca213f-8723-dccb-e131-081400c28e5d@gmail.com> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , dirk@gouders.net, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robinson@gmail.com, groff@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org From: Alejandro Colomar In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------BsswUu4BhB5FhEn96T8nsPMh" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------BsswUu4BhB5FhEn96T8nsPMh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------cVruQ6EiTcMl95IAx7ieVmop"; protected-headers="v1" From: Alejandro Colomar To: Colin Watson Cc: Eli Zaretskii , dirk@gouders.net, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robinson@gmail.com, groff@gnu.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org Message-ID: <3671fb94-6f67-0113-1d2e-b6804135da36@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) References: <073413e2-7d35-f0d7-26eb-f66908d7af6a@gmail.com> <834jpuuc1a.fsf@gnu.org> <6ea6d1fe-375f-487a-b524-adc86880d3de@gmail.com> <83sfddqvk3.fsf@gnu.org> <390c8bba-6089-b006-eaf1-9fcfda2c6c4b@gmail.com> <837cumonv9.fsf@gnu.org> <78ca213f-8723-dccb-e131-081400c28e5d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: --------------cVruQ6EiTcMl95IAx7ieVmop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Colin, On 4/8/23 15:47, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >> Colin, I've had a feeling for a long time that compressed pages are >> not very useful. These days, storage is cheap. How would you feel >> about having the man pages installed uncompressed in Debian? That >> would allow running text tools directly in /usr/share/man/. >=20 > I'm not personally all that bothered either way, but it's a > distribution-wide policy decision rather than something I'd decide on. > I suspect there are still some people who would push back against the > space cost. >=20 >> I've had to do that several times, and lucky me that I have the source= >> code of the Linux man-pages checked out in my computers, but other >> users don't and they might have trouble finding for example which >> pages talk about RLIMIT_NOFILE. The only way I know of is: >=20 > man -Kaw RLIMIT_NOFILE Hmm, interesting; I didn't know about -K. >=20 > (This looks at the page source rather than the rendered output, so > sometimes it over-reports if your search term matches a groff macro, > etc. But that's true of your approach too.) Yeah, this should be good for most purposes. Consider my itch scratched.= :) Cheers, Alex --=20 GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5 --------------cVruQ6EiTcMl95IAx7ieVmop-- --------------BsswUu4BhB5FhEn96T8nsPMh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE6jqH8KTroDDkXfJAnowa+77/2zIFAmQxi3kACgkQnowa+77/ 2zLgvQ//SLSBaTm2alQhgy70wZVyVsdNXiSFb0Aik1RFUpR9uQNvTZD8Sn7S4CWU LzIc0LCv7Wc/wDrpK1V/tIwoMmTX4dXJstOtRmUtqG7/Mg201Wb+pKPzxN+4f01t eHS7elfAENilizH99d8/y1ZQRi0d4Y0P1zbL+HC7anOloz75fCEBft3JfJ3uvNfA 2BSIICuAliYnxtDAt2117qdLxzqHLy3H9jaGqJVabRHGKsWctaJ/cYLOwvPULQfE 2ZafF3Vdm/g8AXJ8/hO/7KKwL7lK42LsvgPlTz9ekOWm0/p2tZqCxvl0zvC8hAld SRP7f/lBDs4PoOmDD75fX6ZwnwOn/t0v39rrZSImdBafvdQ8BNM/zJRy2aRqXtqM uds4cvXe5imrOoT9K6FbLPDsWkL2tLNgMSr3e3YvJRkmBFQgNasuDCX2Tl2Pj7RG rmYQan7JpiNB/XpEgk5NiRawiDFMolV0FDZJKIsGd8xOXR5T81JX7Jig+4Hx2zCf Z7bfKiV6OpWAVcBuDYkzCjzPMoAC0dwMPgmLcL0vsaPd9jv7gWb5tB6xAI2QR1z1 FzTZjD2Si/yOCU5FZ0NV8dEUsxbybGo7MEUbCXJEeMfHvgMXnjwr3xXSVcpxMz7M VPLS/nT0pn/9g3qBGCpUM2/Ufb8Ul2i++M5xPv1EdtvCsTf6i4o= =5Pzf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------BsswUu4BhB5FhEn96T8nsPMh--