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From: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
To: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Szabolcs Nagy <Szabolcs.Nagy@arm.com>
Cc: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	"libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>, linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: glibc in master is incompatible with systemd-nspawn
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 17:23:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52705C67-9908-4074-A5B2-4389FBDBA461@ubuntu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874kze1gt8.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com>

On November 8, 2019 5:19:47 PM GMT+01:00, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> wrote:
>* Szabolcs Nagy:
>
>> it's of course broken whenever the application is
>> run on a newer kernel+libc than what was used for
>> creating the filter, may be the seccomp manual should
>> warn against the use of EPERM (there is already a
>> caveats section)?
>
>On this topic (ENOSYS vs PERM), I wrote earlier today:
>
>| They serve different purposes. EPERM is appropriate if you want
>things
>| to fail (so that applications break), ENOSYS is appropriate if you
>| want to trigger fallback (like utimensat_time64 → utime) or just
>| disable the feature (because the application assumes the kernel is
>too
>| old to support it). For a generic container runtime, there either
>have
>| to be no filters by default (my preference), or filters for unknown
>| system calls need to return ENOSYS. Everything else will break too
>| many applications.
>|
>| If you have specific knowledge of the system call, you can return
>| EPERM instead in a few cases (e.g. for clock_settime). But that's not
>| really possible for an unknown system call.
>
><https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1769299>
>
>I don't know how controversial this position is.  People seem rather
>opinionated about EPERM.
>
>Thanks,
>Florian

Fwiw, with LXC and LXD we use ENOSYS.
I chatted with Lennart about this a few minutes ago.

      reply	other threads:[~2019-11-08 16:23 UTC|newest]

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2019-11-08 16:01       ` glibc in master is incompatible with systemd-nspawn Szabolcs Nagy
2019-11-08 16:19         ` Florian Weimer
2019-11-08 16:23           ` Christian Brauner [this message]

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