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From: enh <enh@google.com>
To: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Replacing "master-slave" terminology for pseudoterminals
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:35:57 -0700
Message-ID: <CAJgzZoqR4Vh0phZjrDB9dgxNPzH0a35YjC1CwKb3mREOFn5Kbg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c690ad2f-5f3c-5a8b-7b4c-ad29976aeab0@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:38 AM Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/30/20 5:16 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > I know what you mean. One reason for that verbosity is the need to
> > clearly distinguish "pseudoterminal device/end" from "pseudoterminal
> > device pair". It's hard to avoid being wordy there.
>
> The perfect is the enemy of the good. My feeling is that as others
> write this text in emails or discussions, we'll eventually all settle
> on some other short form we find agreeable and then later we can adjust
> the man pages to use that.

based on my own brief experience, i'm expecting that _code_ will
settle on pty and tty. but if you're reading the man pages to
understand the concepts -- which are inherently quite confusing -- i
think spelling things out in longhand might remain useful in that
context.

> Until then taking the lead to change this
> language is the correct way forward.

yeah, definitely.

i'd prefer for michael to go first -- since the bionic documentation
is basically just a link to man7.org, and even without that he's the
canonical source -- but i'm happy to go first and submit my change
first if it helps us make progress :-)

> --
> Cheers,
> Carlos.
>

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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-29 10:39 Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-29 10:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-30  4:06 ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-30  9:16   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-30 11:38     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-30 20:35       ` enh [this message]
2020-07-31  7:48         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-08-04 17:25           ` enh
2020-08-04 20:04             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found] ` <CAJgzZopP=O1cZ2M=3h6Q-X08+eVMPQE_zOCnsEjN=hUTHOkYwQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-30  9:16   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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