From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63646C4363A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042B4207BC for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sargun.me header.i=@sargun.me header.b="OH+AqmBT" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731362AbgJ1XnO (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:43:14 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39582 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726297AbgJ1XnN (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:43:13 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x641.google.com (mail-ej1-x641.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::641]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC3E9C0613CF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x641.google.com with SMTP id gs25so1386810ejb.1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sargun.me; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qt8DJxbLetO1WoXKcxRo5toKKtnSgKB5eVlWB58cOkk=; b=OH+AqmBT9Kdmi64IsMGc8MSNykUCembPpixPv4zzBrzrPu4ucwFsORVaHkMGcfPA4r 8uCQVHV+8Wyli+9AttwM7qpv4f4tNC2hdEunrUWLLkSkWs0PWOUCa+n8YKIabHg6GLd7 hiwxshPZf7ZvPf+4dweotp+Ny/sGKfx7EeycI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qt8DJxbLetO1WoXKcxRo5toKKtnSgKB5eVlWB58cOkk=; b=qY5V2mjOWJvrRk8Smfa0P57250b0qYmpCL4uvxk3uinzQGQA9q2Qz5iasL6Ho1W2nN MoSkEbnyCGpcTB3tOGbQdj3sBqCYFpBW19RTfWFC2SVye92ZWrpUBZ0eVgZEapZ1nTj4 7HCkzUIyzYtJhEjc1ToCi8iFiG6KEiozeh+jM0dA0BxA4aXUx3N4CPNVwcxOP3UyCOzb wjTVxS2O8imEfpm4+g2ta7ixdxOMB1EbRngBkS4zgSF9LLJmvzuOs/+cpuEk+neJ5A+O XSbqSiC7noSwMNns6b/WwRkSn7SPMDYHGat1M+qro3Kxu84C5mO31EsQjcsSNGqvgA/V 63EA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533CmqeLnRsORxd3R/P01va75sXFJBKG4g5ijk9dD1heT66KVkbH 7RqFB4GX/u8jEASLxCDCt91vE8QZYquekYrDdpeumVQuGtU1gL2+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxL/cNreEkGxZEeBkLMJW+nXtxbWJBnh3oGKara0Jkz/gJF9pPGAqnIO/XhWtV5NKiBIa/b6QweHKnigrOa6I= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fb06:: with SMTP id d6mr6238984edq.312.1603866735356; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 23:32:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <45f07f17-18b6-d187-0914-6f341fe90857@gmail.com> <20200930150330.GC284424@cisco> <8bcd956f-58d2-d2f0-ca7c-0a30f3fcd5b8@gmail.com> <20200930230327.GA1260245@cisco> <20200930232456.GB1260245@cisco> <656a37b5-75e3-0ded-6ba8-3bb57b537b24@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Sargun Dhillon Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 23:31:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: For review: seccomp_user_notif(2) manual page To: Jann Horn Cc: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , Tycho Andersen , Kees Cook , Christian Brauner , linux-man , lkml , Aleksa Sarai , Alexei Starovoitov , Will Drewry , bpf , Song Liu , Daniel Borkmann , Andy Lutomirski , Linux Containers , Giuseppe Scrivano , Robert Sesek Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:28 AM Jann Horn wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 7:14 AM Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) > wrote: > > On 10/26/20 4:54 PM, Jann Horn wrote: > > > I'm a bit on the fence now on whether non-blocking mode should use > > > ENOTCONN or not... I guess if we returned ENOENT even when there are > > > no more listeners, you'd have to disambiguate through the poll() > > > revents, which would be kinda ugly? > > > > I must confess, I'm not quite clear on which two cases you > > are trying to distinguish. Can you elaborate? > > Let's say someone writes a program whose responsibilities are just to > handle seccomp events and to listen on some other fd for commands. And > this is implemented with an event loop. Then once all the target > processes are gone (including zombie reaping), we'll start getting > EPOLLERR. > > If NOTIF_RECV starts returning -ENOTCONN at this point, the event loop > can just call into the seccomp logic without any arguments; it can > just call NOTIF_RECV one more time, see the -ENOTCONN, and terminate. > The downside is that there's one more error code userspace has to > special-case. > This would be more consistent with what we'd be doing in the blocking case. > > If NOTIF_RECV keeps returning -ENOENT, the event loop has to also tell > the seccomp logic what the revents are. > > I guess it probably doesn't really matter much. So, in practice, if you're emulating a blocking syscall (such as open, perf_event_open, or any of a number of other syscalls), you probably have to do it on a separate thread in the supervisor because you want to continue to be able to receive new notifications if any other process generates a seccomp notification event that you need to handle. In addition to that, some of these syscalls are preemptible, so you need to poll SECCOMP_IOCTL_NOTIF_ID_VALID to make sure that the program under supervision hasn't left the syscall. If we're to implement a mechanism that makes the seccomp ioctl receive non-blocking, it would be valuable to address this problem as well (getting a notification when the supervisor is processing a syscall and needs to preempt it). In the best case, this can be a minor inconvenience, and in the worst case this can result in weird errors where you're keeping resources open that the container expects to be closed.