From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC54C77B6C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229569AbjDHNsF (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Apr 2023 09:48:05 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54260 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230014AbjDHNsD (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Apr 2023 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from stravinsky.debian.org (stravinsky.debian.org [IPv6:2001:41b8:202:deb::311:108]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01AFE059 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2023 06:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debian.org; s=smtpauto.stravinsky; h=X-Debian-User:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=Fe33Zl6YQTNNcCuClARS2UaJ7t8J2AxqwNtdXWsCcPU=; b=KxzLj+3Q0x/CQUxLFKfpR8KrP/ BaN0IbtpjrHR8LAMFn1NMT9NjnsOx/eycf5eTDLzlmjpoYjiuX3wuq/6rsAq187tNQxms234/QYqn J89NWhct2qcK5aDjpIDSU8qE+mJifrGENFhVIjUTjeddscr69LHuS+AoI6uIqqp9fYTytITi+gGI8 Zq1Tsa/glglECpiV/kkJrD/19VQ+/nlEzhyNcNkIRpn5lo83XIhr4ftam/98xv3bJWfrJPisQyg4O 4M2qfC9yTs1ZYl8zqWVUHU7bSfHB6024sTjL9VSqQsqQ5MSdyj84fhIkIxz1RWac9kMZ8VUoNBJkP C4WATIkg==; Received: from authenticated user by stravinsky.debian.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_SECP256R1__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256) (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pl8v7-00DffR-DG; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 13:47:57 +0000 Received: from ns1.rosewood.vpn.ucam.org ([172.20.153.2] helo=riva.ucam.org) by riva.rosewood.vpn.ucam.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pl8v5-00DXYi-FH; Sat, 08 Apr 2023 14:47:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 14:47:54 +0100 From: Colin Watson To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: Eli Zaretskii , dirk@gouders.net, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robinson@gmail.com, groff@gnu.org Subject: Re: Accessibility of man pages (was: Playground pager lsp(1)) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alejandro Colomar , Eli Zaretskii , dirk@gouders.net, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, help-texinfo@gnu.org, nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz, g.branden.robinson@gmail.com, groff@gnu.org References: <073413e2-7d35-f0d7-26eb-f66908d7af6a@gmail.com> <834jpuuc1a.fsf@gnu.org> <6ea6d1fe-375f-487a-b524-adc86880d3de@gmail.com> <83sfddqvk3.fsf@gnu.org> <390c8bba-6089-b006-eaf1-9fcfda2c6c4b@gmail.com> <837cumonv9.fsf@gnu.org> <78ca213f-8723-dccb-e131-081400c28e5d@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <78ca213f-8723-dccb-e131-081400c28e5d@gmail.com> X-Debian-User: cjwatson Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 03:02:59PM +0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > Colin, I've had a feeling for a long time that compressed pages are > not very useful. These days, storage is cheap. How would you feel > about having the man pages installed uncompressed in Debian? That > would allow running text tools directly in /usr/share/man/. I'm not personally all that bothered either way, but it's a distribution-wide policy decision rather than something I'd decide on. I suspect there are still some people who would push back against the space cost. > I've had to do that several times, and lucky me that I have the source > code of the Linux man-pages checked out in my computers, but other > users don't and they might have trouble finding for example which > pages talk about RLIMIT_NOFILE. The only way I know of is: man -Kaw RLIMIT_NOFILE (This looks at the page source rather than the rendered output, so sometimes it over-reports if your search term matches a groff macro, etc. But that's true of your approach too.) -- Colin Watson (he/him) [cjwatson@debian.org]