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From: Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>
To: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil-cisco@xs4all.nl>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Kieran Bingham <kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com>,
	Jacopo Mondi <jacopo@jmondi.org>,
	Vladimir Zapolskiy <vz@mleia.com>, Peter Rosin <peda@axentia.se>
Subject: Re: [RFC,v2 3/6] media: dt-bindings: add DS90UB954-Q1 video deserializer
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 11:34:55 +0200
Message-ID: <20190903093455.GD1020@kunai> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63d99d6d-ecdd-7dd8-0dcb-126bfd89b258@lucaceresoli.net>

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> Not if you define enough addresses in the pool. E.g. the DS90UB954
> hardware can have 8 aliases per port, so if you have (n_ports * 8)
> addresses in the pool the problem is solved.

And then you plug-in somewhere another board with another need for ATR
and you are out of addresses.

> > And another add-on module with
> > non-repogrammable devices may occupy addresses from the defined pool
> > above.
> 
> You mean a new device on the local (SoC-to-ATR) bus? Well, it could as
> well occupy a non-described address that the ATR has already picked as
> an alias.

Nope, I mean a seperate add-on which has a hardcoded I2C address on the
bus of the ATR parent. Then this hardcoded address needs to be removed
from the pool if it is in the wrong range.

> > I am not perfectly happy with the assumption that all undescribed
> > addresses are automatically free. That also might need DTS updates to
> > describe all clients properly. But this change only needs to be done
> > once, and it will improve the description of the hardware.
> 
> Right, but I still suspect some users won't do their homework and
> discover address conflicts at runtime, maybe months later, in a painful
> way. Also a chip might be undocumented on a given board, so they could
> do their homework and still have problems.

Yes, we probably need a binding to mark an address as used even though
we don't know the device or don't have a driver for it.

Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean. One of my boards has a client
soldered in a way so that it is still in debug mode. That means it
listens to addresses 0x03-0x07 to provide debug information. Took me a
while to find out what is happening there.

But still, 'i2cdetect' showed all of these.

> Despite my comments, I'm not strongly against your proposal. To me it
> doesn't seem to solve any problem, while it does introduce some degree
> of risk. Could you elaborate more on but what benefit it introduces?

I'd think the risk of running out of defined addresses is somewhere
equal to running into (after a while) an unexpectedly used address.
I like the fix for the latter better because describing what is on the
bus is more helpful and generic than updating the pool-property every
time you need it. Plus, as mentioned above, other add-on hardware may
disturb your pool allocation.

I expect this topic to be one of the discussion points of the BoF.


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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-23 20:37 [RFC,v2 0/6] TI camera serdes and I2C address translation Luca Ceresoli
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 1/6] i2c: core: let adapters be notified of client attach/detach Luca Ceresoli
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 2/6] i2c: add I2C Address Translator (ATR) support Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-01 14:31   ` jacopo mondi
2019-09-03  7:31     ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-03  7:37       ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-04  8:09       ` Peter Rosin
2019-09-08 19:40         ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-10 18:46           ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-08 20:45     ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2019-09-09  4:56       ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2019-09-10 17:40         ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-09  7:22       ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-09 15:10         ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2019-09-09 17:48           ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-10 17:16             ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-02 20:42   ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-03  8:48     ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-03  9:06       ` Wolfram Sang
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 3/6] media: dt-bindings: add DS90UB954-Q1 video deserializer Luca Ceresoli
2019-08-13 15:44   ` Rob Herring
2019-08-19 22:41     ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-08-20 15:44       ` Rob Herring
2019-08-21 21:50         ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-02 20:48   ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-03  9:09     ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-03  9:34       ` Wolfram Sang [this message]
2019-09-03 11:03         ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-09-03 14:16           ` Wolfram Sang
2019-09-10  9:43   ` Sakari Ailus
2019-09-10 15:02     ` Luca Ceresoli
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 4/6] media: dt-bindings: add DS90UB953-Q1 video serializer Luca Ceresoli
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 5/6] media: ds90ub954: new driver for TI DS90UB954-Q1 video deserializer Luca Ceresoli
2019-07-23 20:37 ` [RFC,v2 6/6] media: ds90ub953: new driver for TI DS90UB953-Q1 video serializer Luca Ceresoli

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