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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: geoff@hostfission.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	"Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
	"Gurchetan Singh" <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
	"Dmitry Morozov" <dmitry.morozov@opensynergy.com>,
	"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: guest / host buffer sharing ...
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:46:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QUJBkqtVJq17tfX5O-JuvEGcZQviP0C3tv9qSDy-P-hcg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191106095122.jju7eo57scfoat6a@sirius.home.kraxel.org>

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:51 AM Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > Reason is:  Meanwhile I'm wondering whenever "just use virtio-gpu
> > > resources" is really a good answer for all the different use cases
> > > we have collected over time.  Maybe it is better to have a dedicated
> > > buffer sharing virtio device?  Here is the rough idea:
> >
> > My concern is that buffer sharing isn't a "device".  It's a primitive
> > used in building other devices.  When someone asks for just buffer
> > sharing it's often because they do not intend to upstream a
> > specification for their device.
>
> Well, "vsock" isn't a classic device (aka nic/storage/gpu/...) either.
> It is more a service to allow communication between host and guest

There are existing applications and network protocols that can be
easily run over virtio-vsock, virtio-net, and virtio-serial to do
useful things.

If a new device has no use except for writing a custom code, then it's
a clue that we're missing the actual use case.

In the graphics buffer sharing use case, how does the other side
determine how to interpret this data?  Shouldn't there be a VIRTIO
device spec for the messaging so compatible implementations can be
written by others?

Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-06 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-05 10:54 guest / host buffer sharing Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-05 11:35 ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-06  6:24   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06  8:36 ` David Stevens
2019-11-06 12:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 22:28     ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-07  6:48       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-20 12:13       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-20 21:41         ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-21  5:51           ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-04 22:22             ` Dylan Reid
2019-12-11  5:08               ` David Stevens
2019-12-11  9:26                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-11 16:05                   ` [virtio-dev] " Enrico Granata
2019-12-12  6:40                   ` David Stevens
2019-12-12  9:41                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-12 12:26                       ` David Stevens
2019-12-12 13:30                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-13  3:21                           ` David Stevens
2019-12-16 13:47                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-17 12:59                               ` David Stevens
2019-11-06  8:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-06  9:51   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 10:10     ` [virtio-dev] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-07 11:11       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-07 11:16         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-08  6:45           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 11:46     ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2019-11-06 12:50       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-07 12:10         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-08  7:22           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-08  7:35             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09  1:41               ` Stéphane Marchesin
2019-11-09 10:12                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09 11:16                   ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-09 12:08                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09 15:12                       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-18 10:20                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-20 10:11                           ` Tomasz Figa
     [not found]           ` <CAEkmjvU8or7YT7CCBe7aUx-XQ3yJpUrY4CfBOnqk7pUH9d9RGQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-11-20 11:58             ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-20 12:11     ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-11  3:04   ` David Stevens
2019-11-11 15:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Liam Girdwood
2019-11-12  0:54       ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-12 13:56         ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-12 22:55           ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-19 15:31             ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-20  0:42               ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-20  9:53               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-25 16:46                 ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-27  7:58                   ` Gerd Hoffmann

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