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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, James Hogan <jhogan@kernel.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
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	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/16] mm: pass get_user_pages_fast iterator arguments in a structure
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:18:51 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1561032202.0qfct43s2c.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjSo+TzkvYnAqrp=eFgzzc058DhSMTPr4-2quZTbGLfnw@mail.gmail.com>

Linus Torvalds's on June 12, 2019 11:09 am:
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:55 PM Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What does this do for performance? I've found this pattern can be
>> bad for store aliasing detection.
> 
> I wouldn't expect it to be noticeable, and the lack of argument
> reloading etc should make up for it. Plus inlining makes it a
> non-issue when that happens.

Maybe in isolation. Just seems like a strange pattern to sprinkle
around randomly, I wouldn't like it to proliferate.

I understand in some cases where a big set of parameters or
basically state gets sent around through a lot of interfaces.
Within one file to make lines a bit shorter or save a few bytes
isn't such a strong case.

> 
> But I guess we could also at least look at using "restrict", if that
> ends up helping. Unlike the completely bogus type-based aliasing rules
> (that we disable because I think the C people were on some bad bad
> drugs when they came up with them), restricted pointers are a real
> thing that makes sense.
> 
> That said, we haven't traditionally used it, and I don't know how much
> it helps gcc. Maybe gcc ignores it entirely? S

Ahh, it's not compiler store alias analysis I'm talking about, but
processor (but you raise an interesting point about compiler too,
would be nice if we could improve that in general).

The processor aliasing problem happens because the struct will
be initialised with stores using one base register (e.g., stack
register), and then same memory is loaded using a different
register (e.g., parameter register). Processor's static heuristics
for determining a load doesn't alias with an earlier store doesn't
do so well in that case.

Just about everywhere I've seen those kind of misspeculation and
flushes in the kernel has been this pattern, so I'm wary of it in
performance critical code.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-20 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-11 14:40 switch the remaining architectures to use generic GUP v3 Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 01/16] mm: use untagged_addr() for get_user_pages_fast addresses Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 19:22   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-06-21 13:16   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-21 13:39   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-21 15:35     ` Khalid Aziz
2019-06-21 15:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:41     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-25  7:43     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 02/16] mm: simplify gup_fast_permitted Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 13:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 03/16] mm: lift the x86_32 PAE version of gup_get_pte to common code Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 13:45   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 04/16] MIPS: use the generic get_user_pages_fast code Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 14:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 05/16] sh: add the missing pud_page definition Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 06/16] sh: use the generic get_user_pages_fast code Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 07/16] sparc64: add the missing pgd_page definition Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 08/16] sparc64: define untagged_addr() Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 19:23   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 09/16] sparc64: use the generic get_user_pages_fast code Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 19:35   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 10/16] mm: rename CONFIG_HAVE_GENERIC_GUP to CONFIG_HAVE_FAST_GUP Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 19:35   ` Khalid Aziz
2019-06-21 14:28   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:50     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 11/16] mm: consolidate the get_user_pages* implementations Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 14:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-25  7:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-25 11:56       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 12/16] mm: validate get_user_pages_fast flags Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:40 ` [PATCH 13/16] mm: move the powerpc hugepd code to mm/gup.c Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:41 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm: switch gup_hugepte to use try_get_compound_head Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:41 ` [PATCH 15/16] mm: mark the page referenced in gup_hugepte Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-11 14:41 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm: pass get_user_pages_fast iterator arguments in a structure Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-12  0:52   ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-06-12  1:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-20 12:18       ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2019-06-20 17:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-06-21  8:15           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 23:55             ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-06-21  8:29           ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-06-12  1:27     ` Nadav Amit
2019-06-20 11:45 ` switch the remaining architectures to use generic GUP v3 Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-21 14:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe

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