From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailapp02.imgtec.com ([217.156.133.132]:52210 "EHLO mailapp01.imgtec.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by eddie.linux-mips.org with ESMTP id S23992571AbcJLQaKI2EEZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Oct 2016 18:30:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:29:53 +0100 From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/24] Add MIPS32 FPU64 GDB target descriptions In-Reply-To: <20161012135803.GT19354@jhogan-linux.le.imgtec.org> Message-ID: References: <1467038991-6600-1-git-send-email-bhushan.attarde@imgtec.com> <1467038991-6600-2-git-send-email-bhushan.attarde@imgtec.com> <20161012135803.GT19354@jhogan-linux.le.imgtec.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Return-Path: Sender: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org Errors-to: linux-mips-bounce@linux-mips.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: To: James Hogan Cc: Bhushan Attarde , gdb-patches@sourceware.org, Matthew Fortune , Andrew Bennett , Jaydeep Patil , linux-mips@linux-mips.org Message-ID: <20161012162953.6IETpn3BGIpniAg6zW5oeb1eGiG2IK5F8VXm7AkwkXQ@z> Hi James, Thanks for your input! Cc-ing linux-mips for the discussion about a ptrace(2) kernel API update; anyone interested in previous talk about this change please have a look at: and for the earlier messages. > > Hmm, has Linux kernel support for CP0.Config5 accesses gone upstream > > already? Can you give me an upstream commit ID and/or reference to the > > discussion where it has been approved if so? > > I don't think it did go upstream yet. Good! > > More importantly, what do we need CP0.Config5 access for in the first > > place? It looks to me like this bit is irrelevant to GDB as it does not > > affect the native (raw) register format. So the only use would be to let > > the user running a debugging session switch between the FRE and NFRE modes > > without the need to poke at CP1C.FRE or CP1C.NFRE registers with a CTC1 > > instruction, which by itself makes sense to me, but needs a further > > consideration. > > It allows the FRE bit to be read (I seem to remember this was the only > bit actually exposed through ptrace by the patch). Then I think it makes sense even more not to create this artificial API and use the CP1C.FRE/CP1C.NFRE registers instead which do correspond to what hardware presents to user software. Also with CP1C.UFR/CP1C.UNFR vs CP0.Status; while we want to retain the latter register in the view for historical reasons, it has always been read-only and I think it ought to remain such, with any writes to CP0.Status.FR executed via the former CP1C registers only. > FRE simply causes certain instructions (all single precision FP > arithmetic instructions and FP word loads/stores) to trap to the kernel > so that it can emulate a variation/subset of FR=0, so the debugger would > use it to decide how to decode the single precision FP registers based > on the double precision FP registers (iirc). I don't think there is any value in it for GDB, I think all 64-bit FP registers ought to remain being presented as doubles and pairs of singles regardless of the mode selected (and also possibly fixed-point longs and pairs of fixed-point words). We don't know what's emulated and what's not after all, and then the contents of FPRs are not interpreted by GDB itself anyhow except in user-supplied expressions or assignment requests, which for users' convenience I think should retain the maximum flexibility possible. So as I say it looks to me like the only, though obviously valid and wholeheartedly supported, use for CP1C.FRE/CP1C.NFRE would be for user's control of the execution environment. > > Additionally exposing CP0.Config5 may have security implications, > > especially as parts of the register have not been defined yet in the > > architectures and we'd have to force architecture maintainers somehow to > > ask us every time they intend to add a bit to this register to check if > > this has security implications and has to be avoided and/or explicitly > > handled in software. > > yes, as above it explicity only shows certain bits. I'm fine with the > api changing if necessary though since it isn't upstream. It sounds like a plan to me then -- any further questions or comments about the kernel API part, anyone? Maciej