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From: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 10/12] namei: aggressively check for nd->root escape on ".." resolution
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:48:56 +1000
Message-ID: <20190904214856.vnvom7h5xontvngq@yavin.dot.cyphar.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiod1rQMU+6Zew=cLE8uX4tUdf42bM5eKngMnNVS2My7g@mail.gmail.com>

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On 2019-09-04, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:23 PM Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com> wrote:
> > This patch allows for LOOKUP_BENEATH and LOOKUP_IN_ROOT to safely permit
> > ".." resolution (in the case of LOOKUP_BENEATH the resolution will still
> > fail if ".." resolution would resolve a path outside of the root --
> > while LOOKUP_IN_ROOT will chroot(2)-style scope it). Magic-link jumps
> > are still disallowed entirely because now they could result in
> > inconsistent behaviour if resolution encounters a subsequent ".."[*].
> 
> This is the only patch in the series that makes me go "umm".
> 
> Why is it ok to re-initialize m_seq, which is used by other things
> too? I think it's because we're out of RCU lookup, but there's no
> comment about it, and it looks iffy to me. I'd rather have a separate
> sequence count that doesn't have two users with different lifetime
> rules.

Yeah, the reasoning was that it's because we're out of RCU lookup and if
we didn't re-grab ->m_seq we'd hit path_is_under() on every subsequent
".." (even though we've checked that it's safe). But yes, I should've
used a different field to avoid confusion (and stop it looking
unnecessarily dodgy). I will fix that.

> But even apart from that, I think from a "patch continuity" standpoint
> it would be better to introduce the sequence counts as just an error
> condition first - iow, not have the "path_is_under()" check, but just
> return -EXDEV if the sequence number doesn't match.

Ack, will do.

> So you'd have three stages:
> 
>  1) ".." always returns -EXDEV
> 
>  2) ".." returns -EXDEV if there was a concurrent rename/mount
> 
>  3) ".." returns -EXDEV if there was a concurrent rename/mount and we
> reset the sequence numbers and check if you escaped.
> 
> becasue the sequence number reset really does make me go "hmm", plus I
> get this nagging little feeling in the back of my head that you can
> cause nasty O(n^2) lookup cost behavior with deep paths, lots of "..",
> and repeated path_is_under() calls.

The reason for doing the concurrent-{rename,mount} checks was to try to
avoid the O(n^2) in most cases, but you're right that if you have an
attacker that is spamming renames (or you're on a box with a lot of
renames and/or mounts going on *anywhere*) you will hit an O(n^2) here
(more pedantically, O(m*n) but who's counting?).

Unfortunately, I'm not sure what the best solution would be for this
one. If -EAGAIN retries are on the table, we could limit how many times
we're willing to do path_is_under() and then just return -EAGAIN.

> So (1) sounds safe. (2) sounds simple. And (3) is where I think subtle
> things start happening.
> 
> Also, I'm not 100% convinced that (3) is needed at all. I think the
> retry could be done in user space instead, which needs to have a
> fallback anyway. Yes? No?

Hinting to userspace to do a retry (with -EAGAIN as you mention in your
other mail) wouldn't be a bad thing at all, though you'd almost
certainly get quite a few spurious -EAGAINs -- &{mount,rename}_lock are
global for the entire machine, after all.

But if the only significant roadblock is that (3) seems a bit too hairy,
I would be quite happy with landing (2) as a first step (with -EAGAIN).

-- 
Aleksa Sarai
Senior Software Engineer (Containers)
SUSE Linux GmbH
<https://www.cyphar.com/>

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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-04 20:19 [PATCH v12 00/12] namei: openat2(2) path resolution restrictions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:48   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-05  7:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05  9:26     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05  9:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 10:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-11 10:37           ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 13:35         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 17:01         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05  8:43   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05  9:50     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 10:45       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05  9:09   ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-05 10:13     ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to, from}_user helpers Gabriel Paubert
2019-09-05 11:05   ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:17     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05 11:29       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 13:40     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:09   ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:27     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:40       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:07   ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:23     ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:28       ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:35         ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 19:56         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 22:31           ` Al Viro
2019-09-06  7:00           ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 23:00     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 23:49       ` Al Viro
2019-09-06  0:09         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-06  0:14         ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 02/12] clone3: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 03/12] sched_setattr: switch to copy_struct_{to,from}_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 04/12] perf_event_open: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 05/12] namei: obey trailing magic-link DAC permissions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-17 21:30   ` Jann Horn
2019-09-18 13:51     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-18 15:46       ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 06/12] procfs: switch magic-link modes to be more sane Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 07/12] open: O_EMPTYPATH: procfs-less file descriptor re-opening Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 08/12] namei: O_BENEATH-style path resolution flags Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 09/12] namei: LOOKUP_IN_ROOT: chroot-like path resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 10/12] namei: aggressively check for nd->root escape on ".." resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:48     ` Aleksa Sarai [this message]
2019-09-04 22:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 22:31       ` David Howells
2019-09-04 22:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 23:29           ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 23:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 11/12] open: openat2(2) syscall Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-07 12:40   ` Jeff Layton
2019-09-07 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 17:42       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-07 17:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 18:15           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-10  6:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2019-09-08 16:24     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 12/12] selftests: add openat2(2) selftests Aleksa Sarai

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