From: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
To: Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@cyphar.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:00:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190906070048.tmhuemasmsn55spq@wittgenstein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190905195618.pwzgvuzadkfpznfz@yavin.dot.cyphar.com>
On Fri, Sep 06, 2019 at 05:56:18AM +1000, Aleksa Sarai wrote:
> On 2019-09-05, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 08:23:03PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> >
> > > Because every caller of that function right now has that limit set
> > > anyway iirc. So we can either remove it from here and place it back for
> > > the individual callers or leave it in the helper.
> > > Also, I'm really asking, why not? Is it unreasonable to have an upper
> > > bound on the size (for a long time probably) or are you disagreeing with
> > > PAGE_SIZE being used? PAGE_SIZE limit is currently used by sched, perf,
> > > bpf, and clone3 and in a few other places.
> >
> > For a primitive that can be safely used with any size (OK, any within
> > the usual 2Gb limit)? Why push the random policy into the place where
> > it doesn't belong?
> >
> > Seriously, what's the point? If they want to have a large chunk of
> > userland memory zeroed or checked for non-zeroes - why would that
> > be a problem?
>
> Thinking about it some more, there isn't really any r/w amplification --
> so there isn't much to gain by passing giant structs. Though, if we are
> going to permit 2GB buffers, isn't that also an argument to use
> memchr_inv()? :P
I think we should just do a really dumb, easy to understand minimal
thing for now. It could even just be what every caller is doing right
now anyway with the get_user() loop.
The only way to settle memchr_inv() vs all the other clever ways
suggested here is to benchmark it and see if it matters *for the current
users* of this helper. If it does, great we can do it. If it doesn't why
bother having that argument right now?
Once we somehow end up in a possible world where we apparently have
decided it's a great idea to copy 2GB argument structures for a syscall
into or from the kernel we can start optimizing the hell out of this.
Before that and especially with current callers I honestly doubt it
matters whether we use memchr_inv() or while() {get_user()} loops.
Christian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-09-06 7:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-09-04 20:19 [PATCH v12 00/12] namei: openat2(2) path resolution restrictions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:00 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-05 7:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 9:26 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 9:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-11 10:37 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 13:35 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 17:01 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 8:43 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05 9:50 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 10:45 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 9:09 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-05 10:13 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to, from}_user helpers Gabriel Paubert
2019-09-05 11:05 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:17 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05 11:29 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 13:40 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:09 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:27 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:40 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:07 ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:23 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:28 ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:35 ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 19:56 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 22:31 ` Al Viro
2019-09-06 7:00 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2019-09-05 23:00 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 23:49 ` Al Viro
2019-09-06 0:09 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-06 0:14 ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 02/12] clone3: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 03/12] sched_setattr: switch to copy_struct_{to,from}_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 04/12] perf_event_open: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 05/12] namei: obey trailing magic-link DAC permissions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-17 21:30 ` Jann Horn
2019-09-18 13:51 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-18 15:46 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 06/12] procfs: switch magic-link modes to be more sane Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 07/12] open: O_EMPTYPATH: procfs-less file descriptor re-opening Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 08/12] namei: O_BENEATH-style path resolution flags Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 09/12] namei: LOOKUP_IN_ROOT: chroot-like path resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 10/12] namei: aggressively check for nd->root escape on ".." resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:48 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 22:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 22:31 ` David Howells
2019-09-04 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 23:29 ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 11/12] open: openat2(2) syscall Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:00 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-07 12:40 ` Jeff Layton
2019-09-07 16:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 17:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-07 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 18:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-10 6:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-09-08 16:24 ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 12/12] selftests: add openat2(2) selftests Aleksa Sarai
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