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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 11/12] open: openat2(2) syscall
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 10:42:23 -0700
Message-ID: <C81D6D29-F6BF-48E6-A15E-3ABCB2C992E5@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whZx97Nm-gUK0ppofj2RA2LLz2vmaDUTKSSV-+yYB9q_Q@mail.gmail.com>



> On Sep 7, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 5:40 AM Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org> wrote:
>> 
>> After thinking about this a bit, I wonder if we might be better served
>> with a new set of OA2_* flags instead of repurposing the O_* flags?
> 
> I'd hate to have yet _another_ set of translation functions, and
> another chance of people just getting it wrong either in user space or
> the kernel.
> 
> So no. Let's not make another set of flags that has no sane way to
> have type-safety to avoid more confusion.
> 
> The new flags that _only_ work with openat2() might be named with a
> prefix/suffix to mark that, but I'm not sure it's a huge deal.
> 
>            

I agree with the philosophy, but I think it doesn’t apply in this case.  Here are the flags:

O_RDONLY, O_WRONLY, O_RDWR: not even a proper bitmask. The kernel already has the FMODE_ bits to make this make sense. How about we make the openat2 permission bits consistent with the internal representation and let the O_ permission bits remain as an awful translation.  The kernel already translates like this, and it already sucks.

O_CREAT, O_TMPFILE, O_NOCTTY, O_TRUNC: not modes on the fd at all.  These affect the meaning of open().  Heck, for openat2, NOCTTY should be this default.

O_EXCL: hopelessly overloaded.

O_APPEND, O_DIRECT, O_SYNC, O_DSYNC, O_LARGEFILE, O_NOATIME, O_PATH, O_NONBLOCK: genuine mode bits

O_CLOEXEC: special because it affects the fd, not the struct file.

Linus, you rejected resolveat() because you wanted a *nice* API that people would use and that might even be adopted by other OSes. Let’s please not make openat2() be a giant pile of crap in the name of consistency with open().  open(), frankly, is horrible.


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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-04 20:19 [PATCH v12 00/12] namei: openat2(2) path resolution restrictions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:48   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-05  7:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05  9:26     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05  9:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 10:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-11 10:37           ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 13:35         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 17:01         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05  8:43   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05  9:50     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 10:45       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05  9:09   ` Andreas Schwab
2019-09-05 10:13     ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to, from}_user helpers Gabriel Paubert
2019-09-05 11:05   ` [PATCH v12 01/12] lib: introduce copy_struct_{to,from}_user helpers Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:17     ` Rasmus Villemoes
2019-09-05 11:29       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 13:40     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:09   ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 11:27     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 11:40       ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:07   ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:23     ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 18:28       ` Al Viro
2019-09-05 18:35         ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 19:56         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 22:31           ` Al Viro
2019-09-06  7:00           ` Christian Brauner
2019-09-05 23:00     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-05 23:49       ` Al Viro
2019-09-06  0:09         ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-06  0:14         ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 02/12] clone3: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 03/12] sched_setattr: switch to copy_struct_{to,from}_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 04/12] perf_event_open: switch to copy_struct_from_user() Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 05/12] namei: obey trailing magic-link DAC permissions Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-17 21:30   ` Jann Horn
2019-09-18 13:51     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-18 15:46       ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 06/12] procfs: switch magic-link modes to be more sane Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 07/12] open: O_EMPTYPATH: procfs-less file descriptor re-opening Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 08/12] namei: O_BENEATH-style path resolution flags Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 09/12] namei: LOOKUP_IN_ROOT: chroot-like path resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 10/12] namei: aggressively check for nd->root escape on ".." resolution Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:09   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 21:48     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 22:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 22:31       ` David Howells
2019-09-04 22:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 23:29           ` Al Viro
2019-09-04 23:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 11/12] open: openat2(2) syscall Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 21:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-09-07 12:40   ` Jeff Layton
2019-09-07 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 17:42       ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-09-07 17:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-07 18:15           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-10  6:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2019-09-08 16:24     ` Aleksa Sarai
2019-09-04 20:19 ` [PATCH v12 12/12] selftests: add openat2(2) selftests Aleksa Sarai

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