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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Jason Gunthorpe' <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, "Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v1] mm/gup: fix FOLL_FORCE COW security issue and remove FOLL_COW
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:16:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09715a42c73a499f9c90cbe3e2714389@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YvKwhrjnFQJ7trT1@nvidia.com>

From: Jason Gunthorpe
> Sent: 09 August 2022 20:08
> 
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 11:59:45AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> > But as a very good approximation, the rule is "absolutely no new
> > BUG_ON() calls _ever_". Because I really cannot see a single case
> > where "proper error handling and WARN_ON_ONCE()" isn't the right
> > thing.
> 
> Parallel to this discussion I've had ones where people more or less
> say
> 
>  Since BUG_ON crashes the machine and Linus says that crashing the
>  machine is bad, WARN_ON will also crash the machine if you set the
>  panic_on_warn parameter, so it is also bad, thus we shouldn't use
>  anything.
> 
> I've generally maintained that people who set the panic_on_warn *want*
> these crashes, because that is the entire point of it. So we should
> use WARN_ON with an error recovery for "can't happen" assertions like
> these. I think it is what you are saying here.

They don't necessarily want the crashes, it is more the people who
built the distribution think they want the crashes.

I have had issues with a customer system (with our drivers) randomly
locking up.
Someone had decided that 'PANIC_ON_OOPS' was a good idea but hadn't
enabled anything to actually take the dump.

So instead of a diagnosable problem (and a 'doh' moment) you
get several weeks of head scratching and a very annoyed user.

	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-09 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-08  7:32 [PATCH v1] mm/gup: fix FOLL_FORCE COW security issue and remove FOLL_COW David Hildenbrand
2022-08-08 16:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 18:45   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 18:59     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 19:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-08-09 19:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 21:16         ` David Laight [this message]
2022-08-11  7:13       ` [PATCH] sched/all: Change BUG_ON() instances to WARN_ON() Ingo Molnar
2022-08-11 20:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-11 21:28           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-11 23:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-08-14  1:10               ` John Hubbard
2022-08-12  9:29           ` [PATCH v2] sched/all: Change all BUG_ON() instances in the scheduler to WARN_ON_ONCE() Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20220815144143.zjsiamw5y22bvgki@suse.de>
2022-08-15 22:12               ` John Hubbard
2022-08-21 11:28               ` Ingo Molnar
2022-08-09 18:40 ` [PATCH v1] mm/gup: fix FOLL_FORCE COW security issue and remove FOLL_COW Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 18:48   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-08-09 18:53     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 19:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 19:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 18:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 19:09   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 20:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 20:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 20:07   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 20:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 20:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 20:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 20:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 20:42           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-09 20:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-09 20:23         ` David Hildenbrand

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