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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Cc: "Yu, Yu-cheng" <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 17:24:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1327c608-1473-af4f-d962-c24f04f3952c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50cf64932507ba60639eca28692e7df285bcc0a7.camel@intel.com>

On 23.01.23 21:47, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-01-23 at 10:50 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 19.01.23 22:22, Rick Edgecombe wrote:
>>> The x86 Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) feature includes
>>> a new
>>> type of memory called shadow stack. This shadow stack memory has
>>> some
>>> unusual properties, which requires some core mm changes to function
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> Since shadow stack memory can be changed from userspace, is both
>>> VM_SHADOW_STACK and VM_WRITE. But it should not be made
>>> conventionally
>>> writable (i.e. pte_mkwrite()). So some code that calls
>>> pte_mkwrite() needs
>>> to be adjusted.
>>>
>>> One such case is when memory is made writable without an actual
>>> write
>>> fault. This happens in some mprotect operations, and also prot_numa
>>> faults.
>>> In both cases code checks whether it should be made
>>> (conventionally)
>>> writable by calling vma_wants_manual_pte_write_upgrade().
>>>
>>> One way to fix this would be have code actually check if memory is
>>> also
>>> VM_SHADOW_STACK and in that case call pte_mkwrite_shstk(). But
>>> since
>>> most memory won't be shadow stack, just have simpler logic and skip
>>> this
>>> optimization by changing vma_wants_manual_pte_write_upgrade() to
>>> not
>>> return true for VM_SHADOW_STACK_MEMORY. This will simply handle all
>>> cases of this type.
>>>
>>> Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
>>> Tested-by: Pengfei Xu <pengfei.xu@intel.com>
>>> Tested-by: John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>
>>> Signed-off-by: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
>>> Signed-off-by: Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
>>> ---
>>
>> Instead of having these x86-shadow stack details all over the MM
>> space,
>> was the option explored to handle this more in arch specific code?
>>
>> IIUC, one way to get it working would be
>>
>> 1) Have a SW "shadowstack" PTE flag.
>> 2) Have an "SW-dirty" PTE flag, to store "dirty=1" when "write=0".
> 
> I don't think that idea came up. So vma->vm_page_prot would have the SW
> shadow stack flag for VM_SHADOW_STACK, and pte_mkwrite() could do
> Write=0,Dirty=1 part. It seems like it should work.
> 

Right, if we include it in vma->vm_page_prot, we'd immediately let 
mk_pte() just handle that.

Otherwise, we'd have to refactor e.g., mk_pte() to consume a vma instead 
of the vma->vm_page_prot. Let's see if we can avoid that for now.

>>
>> pte_mkwrite(), pte_write(), pte_dirty ... can then make decisions
>> based
>> on the "shadowstack" PTE flag and hide all these details from core-
>> mm.
>>
>> When mapping a shadowstack page (new page, migration, swapin, ...),
>> which can be obtained by looking at the VMA flags, the first thing
>> you'd
>> do is set the "shadowstack" PTE flag.
> 
> I guess the downside is that it uses an extra software bit. But the
> other positive is that it's less error prone, so that someone writing
> core-mm code won't introduce a change that makes shadow stack VMAs
> Write=1 if they don't know to also check for VM_SHADOW_STACK.

Right. And I think this mimics the what I would have expected HW to 
provide: a dedicated HW bit, not somehow mangling this into semantics of 
existing bits.

Roughly speaking: if we abstract it that way and get all of the "how to 
set it writable now?" out of core-MM, it not only is cleaner and less 
error prone, it might even allow other architectures that implement 
something comparable (e.g., using a dedicated HW bit) to actually reuse 
some of that work. Otherwise most of that "shstk" is really just x86 
specific ...

I guess the only cases we have to special case would be page pinning 
code where pte_write() would indicate that the PTE is writable (well, it 
is, just not by "ordinary CPU instruction" context directly): but you do 
that already, so ... :)

Sorry for stumbling over that this late, I only started looking into 
this when you CCed me on that one patch.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-24 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-19 21:22 [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 01/39] Documentation/x86: Add CET shadow stack description Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:38   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 02/39] x86/shstk: Add Kconfig option for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:40   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 03/39] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:44   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 04/39] x86/cpufeatures: Enable CET CR4 bit for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:46   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 05/39] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:46   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 06/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for modifying xstate Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:47   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-01 11:01   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-01 17:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 07/39] x86: Add user control-protection fault handler Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:50   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-03 19:09   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 19:24     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-03 19:44       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 23:01         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-04 10:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 08/39] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY from kernel RO pages Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:52   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 09/39] x86/mm: Move pmd_write(), pud_write() up in the file Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 10/39] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:55   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-23  9:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:56     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 11/39] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:57   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-09 14:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-09 17:09     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-10 13:57       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-10 17:00         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-17 16:11           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-17 16:53             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 12/39] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:58   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 13/39] x86/mm: Start actually marking _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 14/39] mm: Move VM_UFFD_MINOR_BIT from 37 to 38 Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 15/39] mm: Introduce VM_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 16/39] x86/mm: Check shadow stack page fault errors Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:59   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 17/39] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23  9:50   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:24       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-01-24 18:14         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-25  9:27           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 18:43             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26  0:59               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26  8:46                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:19                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:12                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-28  0:51                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-31  8:46                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-31 23:33                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01  9:03                             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-01 17:32                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:03                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26  8:57               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:16                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:19                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 19/39] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:01   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-14  0:09   ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14  1:07     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-14  6:10       ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14 18:24         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-15  6:37           ` Deepak Gupta
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 20/39] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 21/39] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 22/39] mm: Re-introduce vm_flags to do_mmap() Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 23/39] mm: Don't allow write GUPs to shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23  9:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 10:45     ` Florian Weimer
2023-01-23 20:46       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 23:08             ` Kees Cook
2023-01-24 23:41               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-25  9:29                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 15:23                   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 15:36             ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-25 16:43               ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 24/39] x86/mm: Introduce MAP_ABOVE4G Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 25/39] mm: Warn on shadow stack memory in wrong vma Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:01   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 26/39] x86: Introduce userspace API for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:04   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 27/39] x86/shstk: Add user-mode shadow stack support Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:05   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 28/39] x86/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 29/39] x86/shstk: Introduce routines modifying shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:05   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 30/39] x86/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 31/39] x86/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:07   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 32/39] x86/shstk: Support WRSS for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:06   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 33/39] x86: Expose thread features in /proc/$PID/status Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 34/39] x86/shstk: Wire in shadow stack interface Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 35/39] selftests/x86: Add shadow stack test Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 36/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for initing features Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 37/39] x86: Add PTRACE interface for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:08   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 38/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_UNLOCK Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 39/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_STATUS Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:08   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 22:26 ` [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Andrew Morton
2023-01-20 17:27   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 19:19     ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 19:46       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 17:48 ` John Allen
2023-01-22  8:20 ` Mike Rapoport

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