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From: Qian Cai <cai@lca.pw>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 18/36] kmsan: disable LOCK_DEBUGGING_SUPPORT
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 08:12:02 -0500
Message-ID: <132F741E-700C-42F4-923E-53454E036E81@lca.pw> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191204122212.ziwntau5hrokrpmk@pathway.suse.cz>



> On Dec 4, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> 
> IMHO, a generic distro debug kernel could not enable debugging
> options that would significantly slow down the kernel. Most users
> would refuse using such kernels. Also they might slow down
> the system to the point that many problems won't be visible.
> 
> For example, I do not see KASAN enabled in SUSE debug kernel.
> I guess that it will be the same with KMSAN. These options
> can be enabled in custom kernels when debugging particular
> problems.

No, KASAN is one of most important debug options to find general issues. It was actually used in many debug kernels like those in Google. In contrast, it will find many issues compared to without even though the performance would suffer in some degrees.

I would even argue that since KASAN is so valuable that it is also desirable to get KMSAN to work together with KASAN by improving the compilers. Otherwise, it is a struggling to choose between KASAN and KMSAN for general debug kernels as KASAN could also cover a subset of KMSAN coverage.

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Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-22 11:25 [PATCH RFC v3 00/36] Add KernelMemorySanitizer infrastructure glider
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/36] stackdepot: check depot_index before accessing the stack slab glider
2019-11-27 14:22   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/36] stackdepot: build with -fno-builtin glider
2019-11-27 14:22   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/36] kasan: stackdepot: move filter_irq_stacks() to stackdepot.c glider
2019-11-27 14:22   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-27 14:56     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/36] stackdepot: reserve 5 extra bits in depot_stack_handle_t glider
2019-11-27 14:23   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/36] kmsan: add ReST documentation glider
2019-11-27 14:22   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 12:42     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/36] kmsan: gfp: introduce __GFP_NO_KMSAN_SHADOW glider
2019-11-27 14:48   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 12:57     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/36] kmsan: introduce __no_sanitize_memory and __SANITIZE_MEMORY__ glider
2019-11-28 13:13   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-29 16:09   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-16 11:35     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/36] kmsan: reduce vmalloc space glider
2019-11-28 13:30   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/36] kmsan: add KMSAN bits to struct page and struct task_struct glider
2019-11-28 13:44   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-28 14:05     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/36] kmsan: add KMSAN runtime glider
2019-11-24 19:44   ` Wolfram Sang
2019-11-25  9:14     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-29 16:07   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-19 14:16     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-02 15:39   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-20 18:58     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 14:34   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/36] kmsan: stackdepot: don't allocate KMSAN metadata for stackdepot glider
2019-11-29 14:52   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-03 14:27     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/36] kmsan: define READ_ONCE_NOCHECK() glider
2019-12-02 10:03   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 12:45     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/36] kmsan: make READ_ONCE_TASK_STACK() return initialized values glider
2019-12-02 10:07   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-05 15:52     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:25 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/36] kmsan: x86: sync metadata pages on page fault glider
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/36] kmsan: add tests for KMSAN glider
2019-11-29 14:14   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-05 14:30     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/36] crypto: kmsan: disable accelerated configs under KMSAN glider
2019-12-02 13:25   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-05 14:51     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/36] kmsan: x86: disable UNWINDER_ORC " glider
2019-12-02 13:30   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/36] kmsan: disable LOCK_DEBUGGING_SUPPORT glider
2019-12-02 13:33   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 14:34     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 15:00       ` Qian Cai
2019-12-03 15:14         ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 18:02           ` Qian Cai
2019-12-03 18:38           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-12-04  8:41             ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-04 12:22               ` Petr Mladek
2019-12-04 13:12                 ` Qian Cai [this message]
2019-12-04 16:24                   ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-04 18:03                     ` Qian Cai
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 20/36] kmsan: x86: increase stack sizes in KMSAN builds glider
2019-12-02 14:31   ` Marco Elver
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 21/36] kmsan: disable KMSAN instrumentation for certain kernel parts glider
2019-11-29 15:07   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-10 10:35     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-10 12:38       ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-10 12:43       ` Qian Cai
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 22/36] kmsan: mm: call KMSAN hooks from SLUB code glider
2019-12-02 15:36   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-10 12:07     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 23/36] kmsan: call KMSAN hooks where needed glider
2019-11-26 10:17   ` Petr Mladek
2019-11-26 10:52     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-29 16:21   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-16 11:30     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 24/36] kmsan: disable instrumentation of certain functions glider
2019-11-29 14:59   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-18 10:02     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 25/36] kmsan: unpoison |tlb| in arch_tlb_gather_mmu() glider
2019-11-29 15:08   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-03 14:19     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 26/36] kmsan: use __msan_memcpy() where possible glider
2019-11-29 15:13   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-05 15:46     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 27/36] kmsan: hooks for copy_to_user() and friends glider
2019-11-29 15:34   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-05 16:00     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-05 16:44       ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-11 14:22         ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 28/36] kmsan: enable KMSAN builds glider
2019-11-29 15:55   ` Andrey Konovalov
2019-12-11 12:51     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 29/36] kmsan: handle /dev/[u]random glider
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 30/36] kmsan: virtio: check/unpoison scatterlist in vring_map_one_sg() glider
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 31/36] kmsan: disable strscpy() optimization under KMSAN glider
2019-12-02 15:51   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-02 16:23     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 11:19       ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 11:24         ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 11:27           ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 32/36] kmsan: add iomap support glider
2019-12-03 12:50   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 14:07     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 33/36] kmsan: dma: unpoison memory mapped by dma_direct_map_page() glider
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 34/36] kmsan: disable physical page merging in biovec glider
2019-12-03 12:54   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-03 13:38     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 35/36] kmsan: ext4: skip block merging logic in ext4_mpage_readpages for KMSAN glider
2019-11-25 16:05   ` Robin Murphy
2019-11-25 17:03     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-12-03 14:22   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-05 14:31     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-22 11:26 ` [PATCH RFC v3 36/36] net: kasan: kmsan: support CONFIG_GENERIC_CSUM on x86, enable it for KASAN/KMSAN glider
2019-12-03 14:17   ` Marco Elver
2019-12-05 14:37     ` Alexander Potapenko
2019-11-29 14:39 ` [PATCH RFC v3 00/36] Add KernelMemorySanitizer infrastructure Marco Elver
2019-12-02 16:02   ` Alexander Potapenko

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