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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:24:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1686fd2d-d9c3-ec12-32df-8c4c5ae26b08@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220412143636.GG64706@ziepe.ca>

On 12.04.22 16:36, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 08:54:02PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> 
>> RLIMIT_MEMLOCK was the obvious candidate, but as we discovered int he
>> past already with secretmem, it's not 100% that good of a fit (unmovable
>> is worth than mlocked). But it gets the job done for now at least.
> 
> No, it doesn't. There are too many different interpretations how
> MELOCK is supposed to work
> 
> eg VFIO accounts per-process so hostile users can just fork to go past
> it.
> 
> RDMA is per-process but uses a different counter, so you can double up
> 
> iouring is per-user and users a 3rd counter, so it can triple up on
> the above two

Thanks for that summary, very helpful.

> 
>> So I'm open for alternative to limit the amount of unmovable memory we
>> might allocate for user space, and then we could convert seretmem as well.
> 
> I think it has to be cgroup based considering where we are now :\

Most probably. I think the important lessons we learned are that

* mlocked != unmovable.
* RLIMIT_MEMLOCK should most probably never have been abused for
  unmovable memory (especially, long-term pinning)


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-13 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-10 14:08 [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:10   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:11     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-23  5:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-24  8:15     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-29 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 12:54     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 14:36   ` Hillf Danton
2022-04-13  6:47     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-10 23:08   ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-11  8:42     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:26   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:12     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-19 22:40   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:24     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK Chao Peng
2022-04-07 16:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-07 17:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-08 17:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 18:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-12 14:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 21:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-13 16:30               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:24             ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2022-04-13 17:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-25 14:07                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-08 13:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:34       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12  5:14         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-04-11 15:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:39       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:28         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-13  9:15           ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:21     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:46     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 17:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] KVM: Use kvm_userspace_memory_region_ext Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:58     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR exit Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:59     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] KVM: Use memfile_pfn_ops to obtain pfn for private pages Chao Peng
2022-03-28 23:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 14:07     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:37     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-29  1:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:10     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] KVM: Register private memslot to memory backing store Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:40     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] KVM: Zap existing KVM mappings when pages changed in the private fd Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-05 23:45   ` Michael Roth
2022-04-08  3:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-19 22:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:17     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] KVM: Expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:56     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-03-24 15:51 ` [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 17:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 18:00     ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 18:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-29 17:01         ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30  8:58           ` Steven Price
2022-03-30 10:39             ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30 17:58               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-31 16:04                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-01 14:59                   ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 17:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 18:03                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 18:24                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 19:56                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-04 15:01                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-04 17:06                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-04 22:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 10:36                             ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 17:51                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 18:30                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 18:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-06 13:05                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 18:03                               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 10:34                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-22 10:56                                 ` Chao Peng
2022-04-22 11:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-24  8:07                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24 16:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 13:40                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-25 14:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 20:30                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10 19:18                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-10 19:27                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-28 12:29                                         ` Chao Peng
2022-05-03 11:12                                           ` Quentin Perret
2022-05-09 22:30                                   ` Michael Roth
2022-05-09 23:29                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 20:05                                       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-21 21:19                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 21:36                                           ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-23  3:09                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-07-25  9:19                                             ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-03-30 16:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-28 22:48   ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-03-29  0:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 21:35   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-12 13:00     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:58   ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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